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Post by pedroelgrande on Nov 27, 2013 10:23:16 GMT -5
Its not like the last time that happen the Red Sox out bid them.
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Post by greenmonster on Nov 27, 2013 11:15:06 GMT -5
I suppose this question can't be answered until a new agreement is reached on the posting process and the new rules are understood........Based on the current system, as I understand it, the posting fee is only payable if the winning team is able to sign the player. Whats preventing the Sox from posting obscenely high to assure they win and then not signing the player? ...... I know its not the most ethical strategy, but it would end up not costing any money and would block other teams.
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Post by jmei on Nov 27, 2013 11:38:33 GMT -5
I suppose this question can't be answered until a new agreement is reached on the posting process and the new rules are understood........Based on the current system, as I understand it, the posting fee is only payable if the winning team is able to sign the player. Whats preventing the Sox from posting obscenely high to assure they win and then not signing the player? ...... I know its not the most ethical strategy, but it would end up not costing any money and would block other teams. Short answer: it would seriously piss off the commissioner's office and NPB, and John Henry/the front office would like to have good relations with both.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 27, 2013 11:59:27 GMT -5
Short answer: it would seriously piss off the commissioner's office and NPB, and John Henry/the front office would like to have good relations with both. You forgot pissing off players, because you'd be royally screwing Tanaka. And the biggest baseball story of the year would be about what a bunch of scumbags the Red Sox are. So if the Sox want gain a reputation similar to the McCourt-era Dodgers or the Marlins-era Marlins, both within the industry and among fans, all for a move that probably won't benefit them at all, then yeah, sure, go for it...
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 27, 2013 12:04:56 GMT -5
But they'd maybe delay the Yankees signing him by a year! Totally worth it.
EDIT: For what it's worth, other players who I was totally positive were signing with the Yankees were Vlad Guerrero, Daisuke Matsuzaka, and Cliff Lee.
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Post by dominicansoxfan on Nov 27, 2013 12:07:45 GMT -5
There is also susposedly a new rule going into the agreement to prevent this from occurring if the agreement is ratified, because of something that happened with the Oakland Atheletics. I read an article about it on Baseball America but my brain is currently away for the holidays or I would post a link.
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Post by sarasoxer on Nov 27, 2013 12:53:37 GMT -5
But they'd maybe delay the Yankees signing him by a year! Totally worth it.
EDIT: For what it's worth, other players who I was totally positive were signing with the Yankees were Vlad Guerrero, Daisuke Matsuzaka, and Cliff Lee. True but I don't think the Sox operate that way. I believe that they are an ethical club and all the other reasons noted above for not doing so apply IMO. Look the Yankees have gobs of money to spend in FA and gobs in their coffers. Getting a guy that might cost them 10-12M per season against the cap is incredibly worth it for a team that had its worst season in memory. That won't fly in N.Y.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 27, 2013 12:57:51 GMT -5
Your sarcasm meter has been damaged, my good man.
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Post by taftreign on Nov 27, 2013 13:09:29 GMT -5
There is also susposedly a new rule going into the agreement to prevent this from occurring if the agreement is ratified, because of something that happened with the Oakland Atheletics. I read an article about it on Baseball America but my brain is currently away for the holidays or I would post a link. It's not a rule that can prevent it because you can't force a team to sign a player if he decides he now wants 25 mil per year but it is to hinder it. The general concept is a penalty will be incurred for not signing the player. My guess is it will be a % of the bid, say 10% as a guess, which will go to the NPB team. If you want to further discourage the practice MLB could restrict said team from bidding on future imports for say 3 or 5 years. This would limit the market however for future players potentially reducing the $ for both the NPB and the player so it's not likely. Then again MLB seems to be in more of the business of strong arming others than in the past. With Selig retiring he appears to be wielding his power much heavier.
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Post by sarasoxer on Nov 27, 2013 17:16:30 GMT -5
Your sarcasm meter has been damaged, my good man. Well I hope not irreparably. I didn't intend to be sarcastic if that is what you mean. In a lot of the trades the Sox have made under Theo forward, comments were often made 'that the deal was good for both teams'. It almost seemed to me that we were bending over backwards not to skin the other team. I know all is fair in love and war but I envision the Sox as being very ethical. Call me crazy and call me naïve, but don't call me.....S_____y.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 27, 2013 19:28:10 GMT -5
Shirley
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Post by sarasoxer on Nov 27, 2013 19:38:03 GMT -5
Xactly!
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Post by soxcentral on Nov 27, 2013 20:07:12 GMT -5
I know all is fair in love and war but I envision the Sox as being very ethical. Surely you can't be serious.
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Post by jdb on Nov 27, 2013 20:26:31 GMT -5
The way teams are locking up younger players before they hit free agency I think the bid could shock us. Factor in the new TV money and I could see 85+ easy and maybe close to 100 million for the post.
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Post by iakovos11 on Nov 27, 2013 20:55:05 GMT -5
I know all is fair in love and war but I envision the Sox as being very ethical. Surely you can't be serious. Classic! Exactly what I was thinking.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Nov 27, 2013 21:26:40 GMT -5
Surely you can't be serious. I am serious...
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 27, 2013 21:42:07 GMT -5
I know all is fair in love and war but I envision the Sox as being very ethical. Surely you can't be serious. I mean, they're more ethical than murderous dictators, hedge fund managers, and people who don't signal their turns. But as compared to other baseball teams that aren't the Marlins, they're probably not discernibly better or worse.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Nov 27, 2013 22:53:45 GMT -5
The impact of the loss of revenue sharing for 15 big market teams will mean the poor teams have a lot more money and at least some of the big market teams will blow past the cap again. That happens by 2016 doesn't it? The best time to sign players is before then.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 27, 2013 23:36:15 GMT -5
Surely you can't be serious. I mean, they're more ethical than murderous dictators, hedge fund managers, and people who don't signal their turns. But as compared to other baseball teams that aren't the Marlins, they're probably not discernibly better or worse. Wait... they are hedge fund managers, at least one of them. They even ran the team on a hedge last year. They went long and short, with the long position paying off handsomely. Still, I think Valentine was a poor excuse for a murderous dictator.
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Post by sarasoxer on Nov 28, 2013 8:08:00 GMT -5
I know all is fair in love and war but I envision the Sox as being very ethical. Surely you can't be serious. That is my belief so yep, I am serious. ....and I hope that it is true.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 2, 2013 16:05:12 GMT -5
“@dylanohernandez: Sponichi: MLB proposing posting-fee limit for Japanese players. If multiple teams submit max bid, player goes to team with worst record.”
Fail.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 2, 2013 19:09:16 GMT -5
“@dylanohernandez: Sponichi: MLB proposing posting-fee limit for Japanese players. If multiple teams submit max bid, player goes to team with worst record.” Fail. Ughhhhhhhh. They really are trying to put a cap on literally everything. Good lord.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 2, 2013 21:31:02 GMT -5
“@dylanohernandez: Sponichi: MLB proposing posting-fee limit for Japanese players. If multiple teams submit max bid, player goes to team with worst record.” Fail. Ughhhhhhhh. They really are trying to put a cap on literally everything. Good lord. Crappy, but completely predictable. Obviously ownership is going to do anything it can to lower the price of labor, and as we've seen in recent years, they can accomplish a lot in that regard by targeting non-union workers and/or capping spending in the name of competitive balance.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 2, 2013 21:46:49 GMT -5
Ughhhhhhhh. They really are trying to put a cap on literally everything. Good lord. Crappy, but completely predictable. Obviously ownership is going to do anything it can to lower the price of labor, and as we've seen in recent years, they can accomplish a lot in that regard by targeting non-union workers and/or capping spending in the name of competitive balance. This plays right into Lauria's hands! Oh wait...Bids are for money? Forget it.
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Post by taftreign on Dec 2, 2013 22:54:37 GMT -5
grandsalami
“@dylanohernandez: Sponichi: MLB proposing posting-fee limit for Japanese players. If multiple teams submit max bid, player goes to team with worst record.”
Welcome to the Cubs Tanaka!
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