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9/5 ML Gameday Thread: PawSox & Salem Sox Game 2's
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Sept 5, 2013 7:50:00 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Sept 5, 2013 16:01:25 GMT -5
Per Alex Speier, Allen Webster is going to be shifted to relief for the remainder of 2013. He made one bullpen appearance for the PawSox last night and is expected to make one more before being called up to the big league bullpen next week.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 5, 2013 16:16:15 GMT -5
I'm optimistic about Buchholz today. I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict 5 shutout innings from him.
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Post by soxfan06 on Sept 5, 2013 19:11:37 GMT -5
3 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 5K so far
Yay!
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Post by jchang on Sept 5, 2013 20:20:47 GMT -5
Salem could use a certain ace pitcher for playoffs. oh well.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 5, 2013 20:56:36 GMT -5
3 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 5K so far Yay! Sorry, but Buchholz is NOT ready for prime time yet. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 5, 2013 21:15:22 GMT -5
3 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 5K so far Yay! Sorry, but Buchholz is NOT ready for prime time yet. You are probably correct but two points'. 1. Neither is Dempster 2. Clay will get 4 more starts before he is the first game prime time pitcher. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 5, 2013 21:16:38 GMT -5
Salem could use a certain ace pitcher for playoffs. oh well. You think Diaz should have been held out for game 2 ? |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 5, 2013 21:39:45 GMT -5
Salem in extras. Something is wrong with the box score. It says Mookie had a strikeout.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 5, 2013 21:43:27 GMT -5
SalSox won 4-3 in 10. Mookie double, WP, then Mookie scored on a Gedman SF.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 5, 2013 21:58:58 GMT -5
Was just trying to think of the last time a player in the system was as locked in as Mookie. Then I realized it was probably Cecchini earlier this year...
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 5, 2013 22:19:15 GMT -5
Or Xander his last three weeks in Portland. .364/.472/.625 in his last 24 before the promotion.
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Post by jchang on Sept 5, 2013 22:26:50 GMT -5
I meant Owens, but he should probably rest. And Salem still won.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 5, 2013 22:37:32 GMT -5
I meant Owens, but he should probably rest. And Salem still won. They wouldn't demote a player to have him play in the playoffs unless it was some kind of situation where a guy needed innings and he was only borderline in the next level anyway (like a guy who bounces between levels like Matty Johnson did this year). |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 5, 2013 22:59:10 GMT -5
3 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 5K so far Yay! Sorry, but Buchholz is NOT ready for prime time yet. Just in case folks aren't going to the box, he came back out for the fourth. 3.2 ip, 4 h, 2 er, 2 bb, 5 k, 71 pitches, 52 strikes. It's not like they lit him up in the fourth. bb-rbi 2b-P6-F8-1b and he was out |
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 6, 2013 3:34:55 GMT -5
Sorry, but Buchholz is NOT ready for prime time yet. Just in case folks aren't going to the box, he came back out for the fourth. 3.2 ip, 4 h, 2 er, 2 bb, 5 k, 71 pitches, 52 strikes. It's not like they lit him up in the fourth. bb-rbi 2b-P6-F8-1b and he was out No it isn't. But "not exactly getting lit up in the 4th in AAA" is an enormous way from being ready to dominate down the stretch in the best division in MLB. And let's face it: the reason people are antsy to see Buchholz back is because they want to see at least a near resemblance to the dominant pitcher that he was before he was shut down, not a slight-to-moderate improvement over Dempster. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 6, 2013 5:04:43 GMT -5
Just in case folks aren't going to the box, he came back out for the fourth. 3.2 ip, 4 h, 2 er, 2 bb, 5 k, 71 pitches, 52 strikes. It's not like they lit him up in the fourth. bb-rbi 2b-P6-F8-1b and he was out No it isn't. But "not exactly getting lit up in the 4th in AAA" is an enormous way from being ready to dominate down the stretch in the best division in MLB. And let's face it: the reason people are antsy to see Buchholz back is because they want to see at least a near resemblance to the dominant pitcher that he was before he was shut down, not a slight-to-moderate improvement over Dempster. I'm really not understanding your point here. I doubt if anyone thinks he'll be at the top of his game on the 10th. You are either making a straw man argument or else you think the Sox would be better off shutting him down for the year. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 6, 2013 5:41:19 GMT -5
No it isn't. But "not exactly getting lit up in the 4th in AAA" is an enormous way from being ready to dominate down the stretch in the best division in MLB. And let's face it: the reason people are antsy to see Buchholz back is because they want to see at least a near resemblance to the dominant pitcher that he was before he was shut down, not a slight-to-moderate improvement over Dempster. I'm really not understanding your point here. I doubt if anyone thinks he'll be at the top of his game on the 10th. You are either making a straw man argument or else you think the Sox would be better off shutting him down for the year. Also, performance in rehab starts is about as useful a predictor of MLB performance as performance in spring training. How often do we see guys put up only mediocre numbers in rehab starts and be fine in the majors? Based on reports he commanded all four of his pitches, and frankly that, plus getting stretched to 70 pitches, is all that needed to happen. Yeah, he might need a sec before getting back to what he was doing earlier in the year, but he'll also still be much better than Dempster has been, and that's all he needs to be yet. |
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Post by larrycook on Sept 6, 2013 6:37:53 GMT -5
I'm really not understanding your point here. I doubt if anyone thinks he'll be at the top of his game on the 10th. You are either making a straw man argument or else you think the Sox would be better off shutting him down for the year. Also, performance in rehab starts is about as useful a predictor of MLB performance as performance in spring training. How often do we see guys put up only mediocre numbers in rehab starts and be fine in the majors? Based on reports he commanded all four of his pitches, and frankly that, plus getting stretched to 70 pitches, is all that needed to happen. Yeah, he might need a sec before getting back to what he was doing earlier in the year, but he'll also still be much better than Dempster has been, and that's all he needs to be yet. If Buchholz is truly healthy,then because of all September call ups, he should be able to go two or three innings and then we can bring in a Workman or Dempster. I just wonder if he is truly healthy, so far the throwing motion has not looked as clean as it did before the injury. Is that because of rust or the fact that he is not 100%? |
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Post by iakovos11 on Sept 6, 2013 7:02:33 GMT -5
If he's truly healthy, why would they only pitch him 2-3 innings? The idea is to him stretched out more
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 6, 2013 7:27:30 GMT -5
I believe they're looking at no. of pitches rather than innings played in deciding his progress. In this case, Clay threw 71 pitches. He should go 90+ in his next start, hopefully in Tampa.
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 6, 2013 10:51:35 GMT -5
Any reports on the status of his health (i.e. is he 'pushing thru it?'), velocity, control.....?
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