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Post by nebraska4sox on Sept 20, 2013 9:20:18 GMT -5
I was watching the games last night and overheard the announcers saying Wil Myers is the favorite for Rookie of the year. He has had a very good offensive year. I was under the impression that the rookie of the year should go to the best all around rookie. In my opinion that should be Jose Iglesias. Jose can field and he can hit well enough to make an impact. Plus he can run the bases well and has sneaky speed. Myers is a great offensive player but is a defensive liability to say the least.
Interested to see what you all think.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 20, 2013 9:51:09 GMT -5
Jose is clearly having a an aberration year, which is not really a knock on him. In my opinon he would still be the ROY if not for Wil Myers. Wil Myers should be in the running for MVP (though he shouldn't win it by any stretch). The kid has vaulted the Rays into AL East conversation when the team was falling apart and heading no where. Now granted, they aren't going to win the AL East, but they may very well get the top wild card spot and he played a huge role in that. I don't like using advanced statistics when regarding a players performance for a year, only when evaluating them moving forward. If a guy hits 300 against lefties, but 80% of it was luck, well, he still hit .300 against lefties and shouldn't be held against him. Just say that he had a good year against lefties, but moving forward it's unsustainable.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 20, 2013 10:19:31 GMT -5
Is Yan Gomes eligible? He has picked up a ton of the catching duties with Cleveland, allowing Santana to play more DH and first base. Gomes is hitting .293/.346/.487 while throwing out 41% of the runners stealing against him, so he'd be my pick. However, it looks like he may have exhausted his service time eligibility with Toronto last year.
Failing that, I'd probably go for Myers. Igleisas has the superior defense, but Myers has 10 points of OBP and 102 points of slugging in his favor. Also, Fangraphs actually shows Iglesias with a negative value for baserunning.
It's been a down year for rookie pitchers in the AL. Straily and Doolittle with Oakland are the only two who can really enter the conversation.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Sept 20, 2013 10:20:12 GMT -5
I agree it should be Wil Myers. He made the Rays relevant again after a mediocre start.
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Post by nebraska4sox on Sept 20, 2013 10:21:06 GMT -5
I agree, but Myers is terrible defensively. The Rays did need Myers and he has been an invaluable piece to their team down the stretch. However Iglesias has been just as valuable to the tigers in the time he has spent there, and was also invaluable to the sox for the short period he spent with them this year. If not for Jose, Xander and Will would not have been given the time needed to develop, and the tigers would have been destroyed at SS without Peralta. It should be interesting to see who gets ROY in the coming days.
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Post by nebraska4sox on Sept 20, 2013 10:23:52 GMT -5
Is Yan Gomes eligible? He has picked up a ton of the catching duties with Cleveland, allowing Santana to play more DH and first base. Gomes is hitting .293/.346/.487 while throwing out 41% of the runners stealing against him, so he'd be my pick. However, it looks like he may have exhausted his service time eligibility with Toronto last year. Failing that, I'd probably go for Myers. Igleisas has the superior defense, but Myers has 10 points of OBP and 102 points of slugging in his favor. Also, Fangraphs actually shows Iglesias with a negative value for baserunning. It's been a down year for rookie pitchers in the AL. Straily and Doolittle with Oakland are the only two who can really enter the conversation. Gomes is fantastic catcher, still can't believe the Jays let him go. I was trying to think of quality rookie pitchers with enough service time so thank-you.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 20, 2013 12:32:24 GMT -5
I'd give it to Myers but I wouldn't have a huge issue with it going to Iglesias either. I think Myers has a much lower chance of going all Angel Berroa on you, but that's not necessarily what the award is about.
What's the over/under on the number of AL ROY awards that go to players older than Mike Trout over the next few years? I.5?
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Post by Kevin Pereira on Sept 20, 2013 12:42:46 GMT -5
I'd give it to Myers but I wouldn't have a huge issue with it going to Iglesias either. I think Myers has a much lower chance of going all Angel Berroa on you, but that's not necessarily what the award is about. What's the over/under on the number of AL ROY awards that go to players older than Mike Trout over the next few years? I.5? Under. Bogaerts is going to win it next year, duh!
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Post by mgoetze on Sept 20, 2013 14:40:48 GMT -5
Also, Fangraphs actually shows Iglesias with a negative value for baserunning. Wasn't the time when Iggy was a Sox regular also the stretch of time where Butterfield was making some, uh, questionable calls to go for home? Anyway I would love for Iggy to win but I can certainly understand the consideration for Myers (who, uh, also has negative value for baserunning).
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Post by ramireja on Sept 20, 2013 15:04:59 GMT -5
I'd give it to Myers but I wouldn't have a huge issue with it going to Iglesias either. I think Myers has a much lower chance of going all Angel Berroa on you, but that's not necessarily what the award is about. What's the over/under on the number of AL ROY awards that go to players older than Mike Trout over the next few years? I.5? Under. Bogaerts is going to win it next year, duh! Not if JBJ has anything to say about it. But yea, Bogaerts will win.
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Post by bluechip on Sept 20, 2013 15:27:29 GMT -5
I think Chris Archer has a pretty good shot at Rookie of the year. This a down year in the AL, while the NL has a bunch of great candidates.
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Post by nebraska4sox on Sept 20, 2013 15:31:55 GMT -5
I think Chris Archer has a pretty good shot at Rookie of the year. This a down year in the AL, while the NL has a bunch of great candidates. Is he still eligible? If so he is a very good pitcher who like Myers helped them get over the hump when Moore and Price were banged up and when Hellickson couldn't buy an out.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 21, 2013 0:10:18 GMT -5
I think Chris Archer has a pretty good shot at Rookie of the year. This a down year in the AL, while the NL has a bunch of great candidates. Is he still eligible? If so he is a very good pitcher who like Myers helped them get over the hump when Moore and Price were banged up and when Hellickson couldn't buy an out. Yup. So is Martin Perez, who this article lists as being with Iggy, Myers, and Archer in the convo: www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/23492424/al-rookie-of-the-year-watch-martin-perezs-stock-risingStill, not nearly as exciting as the NL rookie class this year. Absolutely nuts that Miller and Teheran have no shot at all thanks to Fernandez and Puig.
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Post by nebraska4sox on Sept 21, 2013 0:12:04 GMT -5
Jose Fernandez is an impressive pitcher. He has really good stuff for a guy who didnt throw much in the minors
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