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List Red Sox Players YOU Wouldn't Trade (Not untouchables)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 20:21:32 GMT -5
My list of players whom I wouldn't trade that are either in the minor leagues or are rookies:
1. Bogaerts
2. Bradley
3. Webster
4. Owens
5. Barnes
6. Ranaudo
7. Cecchini
8. Ball
9. Betts
10. Vazquez
11. Lavarnway
12. Britton
13. Brentz
14. Workman
15. De La Rosa
16. Kalish
Yes, I like young players. A lot of them have very good potential to be impact players. That is why I like to hang on them. This list doesn't include most lower level minor leagues, except Ball. Please note these players are not untouchable, except for a few, they are just players that I would hang on to.
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Post by mattpicard on Sept 27, 2013 20:27:24 GMT -5
My list of players whom I wouldn't trade that are either in the minor leagues or are rookies: 1. Bogaerts 2. Bradley 3. Webster 4. Owens 5. Barnes 6. Ranaudo 7. Cecchini 8. Ball 9. Betts 10. Vazquez 11. Lavarnway 12. Britton 13. Brentz 14. Workman 15. De La Rosa Yes, I like young players. A lot of them have very good potential to be impact players. That is why I like to hang on them. Please note these players are not untouchable, except for a few, they are just players that I would hang on to.Well, ideally you'd like to hang onto everyone with some talent and upside, and your list reflects that. Considering that, I'm not sure we'll have a lot of different lists, since the only "untouchable" there is Bogarets, and your 2-9 slots are the "really, really try not to lose them" category. With guys like Lavarnway and Brentz, who don't easily pencil into a spot on our team in the next year or two, what criteria do you use to decide you wouldn't trade them? Certain trade scenarios could make you be comfortable with parting with some of these guys in a heartbeat. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 20:31:22 GMT -5
Well, ideally you'd like to hang onto everyone with some talent and upside, and your list reflects that. Considering that, I'm not sure we'll have a lot of different lists, since the only "untouchable" there is Bogarets, and your 2-9 slots are the "really, really try not to lose them" category. With guys like Lavarnway and Brentz, who don't easily pencil into a spot on our team in the next year or two, what criteria do you use to decide you wouldn't trade them? Certain trade scenarios could make you be comfortable with parting with some of these guys in a heartbeat. I see where you are coming from. I guess I would trade some of these guys if the price is right. But unfortunately, the returns on guys like Brentz, Kalish, and Lavarnway would be very low. I would really like to get Matt Adams from the Cardinals, if that would be possible. The Sox need a good young first baseman. |
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 27, 2013 20:53:49 GMT -5
My list:
1. Bogaerts
2. Bradley
3. Webster
4. Owens
5. Barnes
6. Ranaudo
7. Cecchini
8. Ball
9. Betts
10. Vazquez
11. Lavarnway
12. Britton
13. Brentz
14. Workman
15. De La Rosa
16. Kalish
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 21:06:41 GMT -5
I would agree that Bogaerts is the only true untouchable prospect, but if a team just keeps trading away prospects left and right, the team will eventually get old and they will have no young guys to take over. A good example of that is the current Yankees.
Also, Lavarnway is hitting .311 this year.
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Post by mattpicard on Sept 27, 2013 21:17:13 GMT -5
I would agree that Bogaerts is the only true untouchable prospect, but if a team just keeps trading away prospects left and right, the team will eventually get old and they will have no young guys to take over. A good example of that is the current Yankees. Also, Lavarnway is hitting .311 this year.I've noticed that, but keep in mind he has under 80 MLB PAs this year and is rocking a .386 BABIP. I'd put more stock into his AAA performance, which was pretty underwhelming. |
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 27, 2013 21:18:48 GMT -5
I would agree that Bogaerts is the only true untouchable prospect, but if a team just keeps trading away prospects left and right, the team will eventually get old and they will have no young guys to take over. A good example of that is the current Yankees. Or, if a team keeps trading away prospects, they'll eventually have Miguel Cabrera, Anibal Sanchez, Doug Fister, and Max Scherzer on their roster... I'm not saying you HAVE to trade any of these guys, and you certainly shouldn't trade them ALL, but there's no reason a team can't improve itself by dealing a few prospects here and there. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 27, 2013 22:50:05 GMT -5
Well, ideally you'd like to hang onto everyone with some talent and upside, and your list reflects that. Considering that, I'm not sure we'll have a lot of different lists, since the only "untouchable" there is Bogarets, and your 2-9 slots are the "really, really try not to lose them" category. With guys like Lavarnway and Brentz, who don't easily pencil into a spot on our team in the next year or two, what criteria do you use to decide you wouldn't trade them? Certain trade scenarios could make you be comfortable with parting with some of these guys in a heartbeat. I see where you are coming from. I guess I would trade some of these guys if the price is right. But unfortunately, the returns on guys like Brentz, Kalish, and Lavarnway would be very low. I would really like to get Matt Adams from the Cardinals, if that would be possible. The Sox need a good young first baseman. But why would the Cardinals, in need of power, deal away Matt Adams? I was also beating the drum for Adams last season too and would love to see him in a Sox uniform, but he's young, cost-controlled, and is a good player who has power that the Cards actually need. Craig could go back into the OF as Beltran is likely gone and Tavarez might not necessarily be ready in 2014 or perhaps could see some CF. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 28, 2013 0:01:14 GMT -5
Lavarnway also might be an early 40 man roster casualty. A shame, as have liked him and think myself he should be the platoon catcher next year along with ross after they let salty walk, but it's obvious the team has no plans of keeping him after Farrell wouldn't give him virtually any AB's over 8+ weeks when Ross was out, unless the league's toughest pitchers were on the mound.
Long winded story? Somebody will get a decent platoon catcher at the least in Lavarnway for the slight he received from the Sox organization.
Protected/non tradeable prospects? There is no such thing.A team throws out a Mike Stanton? you offer a Bogaerts. That simple and it still wouldn't be enough straight up.
You don't develop prospects for rentals of rejects like Matt Thorntons, Eric bedard Larry Anderson, Mike Boddicker of the world. Have said that for years.
Giving away future HOF kids for those rejects is idiocy and always has been.
Edit:
Guess can't go on forever forgetting his last name.. it was Larry Anderson, not Larry "Williams". Now back to remembering another Ruth-esque type deal brought forth by loveable-Lou. The same guy who gave away Schill and probable PED user Brady Anderson for a year and a half of Boddicker :-(
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Post by jdb on Sept 28, 2013 8:56:46 GMT -5
Yea nobody is untouchable to me in the right deal but Xander would be extremely tough even for the right guy.
I also come back to the Cards as a trade partner. They could have a log jam at both 1B and corner OF. Also keep an eye on their 3B situation. Wong could play 2B and slide Carpenter over to 3B. If out front office isn't sold on WMBs that could buy some time for Cechini.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 28, 2013 10:09:15 GMT -5
Yea nobody is untouchable to me in the right deal but Xander would be extremely tough even for the right guy. I actually don't think you can trade Xander, period. Like you theoretically could but the player necessary to make it happen doesn't even exist right now. Mike Stanton might have been that guy at one point, but not being able to keep his legs healthy at a very young age AND now reaching his arb years, I don't see the value there. And who else are you going to trade him for? |
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Post by xxdamgoodxx on Sept 28, 2013 13:21:08 GMT -5
Bogaerts (obviously), Webster, Swihart, Vazquez, Ball, and Margot. Webster has the stuff to be Buchholtz and just because he isn't commanding his fastball now doesn't mean that he is never going to do it well enough to be at least a #5 (with substantially more potential). I think that it's worth it to wait it out with him and see if his command comes around because he has the talent to be elite. I think Swi and Vazquez are going to have a major league future at least. They are both very good defensive catchers and they know what they are doing at the plate. Ball has the potential to be a very good pitcher and it doesn't make sense to trade him if you have no bearing on what he could be unless someone blows you away. Same goes for Margot because he too could be a seroius threat in the lineup and on the basepaths. I understand that Ball and Margot are both very likely to never get to the major leagues and not reach their potential, but I'd like to keep them on the slimmer chance that they become good players. I'd hate it if we traded any one of these guys for some bum closer and they become all-stars.
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Post by Kevin Pereira on Sept 28, 2013 22:27:45 GMT -5
My list:
1. Bogaerts
Done.
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Post by sibbysisti on Sept 29, 2013 10:04:36 GMT -5
I would agree that Bogaerts is the only true untouchable prospect, but if a team just keeps trading away prospects left and right, the team will eventually get old and they will have no young guys to take over. A good example of that is the current Yankees. Or, if a team keeps trading away prospects, they'll eventually have Miguel Cabrera, Anibal Sanchez, Doug Fister, and Max Scherzer on their roster... I'm not saying you HAVE to trade any of these guys, and you certainly shouldn't trade them ALL, but there's no reason a team can't improve itself by dealing a few prospects here and there. IIRC Scherzer was acquired in the Granderson trade along with Austin Jackson. Veteran for youngsters. I'd consider anyone other than Bogaerts if they bring back a young impact outfielder such as Carlos Gonzalez or Giancarlo Stanton. |
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Post by jmei on Sept 29, 2013 11:15:47 GMT -5
Here is a complete list of players that I would trade Xander Bogaerts for:
Mike Trout
Bryce Harper
Andrew McCutchen
Evan Longoria
Buster Posey
Matt Harvey
Jose Fernandez
Paul Goldschmidt (check his contract)
Yadier Molina
Troy Tulowitzki
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 29, 2013 11:54:00 GMT -5
Jose Fernandez will be the next Marlin names baseball fans will be drooling over in trade rumors after the 2014 season (2Y) service, just wondering when Loria will deem him too expensive to hold onto.
The guy is the real deal for everyone that hasn't had the pleasure to see many of his games and just a puppy at the age of 21. Only knock? He's a Boras client.
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