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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 2, 2013 21:20:04 GMT -5
I was intrigued by a recent article by Alden Gonzalez of MLB.com regarding the prospects of the Angels moving Trumbo for pitching in the offseason. losangeles.angels.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymdThe article cites the fact that, providing Puhols returns to health, Trumbo could be expendable in an effort to bolster the pitching staff both for starting pitchers and relievers. This is a commodity the Sox have in seeming abundance. Trumbo has posted an average of 32 HRs and 95 rbi in his three yr. ML career. His BA (.250) and OBP are not that impressive. But this solves the dilemma of a questionable re-up of Napoli and an Abreu leap of faith. Trumbo is young (27) and going into his first arbitration year, so is controllable for a few more years. What would the Halos demand from us?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 2, 2013 22:21:33 GMT -5
Trumbo is the answer to a question that shouldn't be asked. He's a pure mistake hitter, someone who may have some of the worst pitch recognition I've ever seen.
To answer your question, a bag of balls? Maybe 32 of them to replace the ones that are gone.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Oct 2, 2013 22:50:07 GMT -5
Imagine Trumbo and Middlebrooks in the same lineup? The game threads would be even more insufferable.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 3, 2013 9:03:26 GMT -5
There's some weirdness in Trumbo's profile. He's actually increased his walk rate pretty significantly over the years. If he was still batting .255-.265 this season his OBP would have been halfway respectable, but of course he hit .234, though that was off a weak BABIP. I was thinking Fenway might help him in regards to his average, but surprisingly for a guy with a ton of power he doesn't hit many fly balls so I'm not sure how much difference it would make.
I dunno. I think you could actually make a case for Trumbo over Napoli. But it's not going to be a strong enough case to justify giving up prospects to bring in Trumbo. Especially given that Trumbo is likely to be massively overpaid on the basis of his HR/RBI numbers, which the arbitration process still loves to reward.
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Post by okin15 on Oct 3, 2013 12:25:09 GMT -5
He has also increased his K-rate though at a lesser pace the last couple of years. BB/K is better than it was, but not a dramatic increase.
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Post by kungfuizzy on Oct 29, 2013 11:06:35 GMT -5
Kind of is relevant here but how would you guys feel about trading a good prospect like Webster for someone like Trumbo. Angels are shopping him for a young arm. Obviously that would keep Doubront in the 5th spot.
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Post by elguapo on Oct 29, 2013 11:22:05 GMT -5
Kind of is relevant here but how would you guys feel about trading a good prospect like Webster for someone like Trumbo. Someone like Trumbo might make sense, in the sense of a significantly-above-average-to-excellent young position player with years of control - let's say like Brandon Belt (before or after 2013). I think there's an opportunity, if the Sox can out-evaluate another team, to add real value in a trade like that while retaining plenty of pitching. (Actual Trumbo has power but is a human windmill with a career line of .250 / .299 / .469 vs Mike Carp (for example) .267 / .337 / .444.)
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Post by nexus on Oct 29, 2013 12:54:31 GMT -5
Kind of is relevant here but how would you guys feel about trading a good prospect like Webster for someone like Trumbo. Angels are shopping him for a young arm. Obviously that would keep Doubront in the 5th spot. Not sure if it's Trumbo failing to make adjustments or poor conditioning, but he goes from borderline All-Star to below replacement level once the AS break hits. Has happened each of the three years he's been a regular. .268/.324/.517 - 1st half .227/.268/.410 - 2nd half
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Post by johnsilver52 on Oct 29, 2013 14:33:35 GMT -5
Rip313,
I'd take a chance on Morse in the FA market before Trumbo. Same type of player, great RH power, terrible defense at corner of/1b, terrible bb/k splits, only Morse would cost about the same thing as a FA that would not cost the team it's draft pick and nothing else.
Morse was hurt last year and I can't see him getting much more than the 6.5m he just made as a FA this winter. At worst? He puts up Gomes type numbers when he is healthy and Gomes is making 5m. He is someone the team should take a very hard look at, just like Duquette did when they acquired him, only to find out he was hurt.
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Post by pedey on Oct 29, 2013 19:42:43 GMT -5
Kind of is relevant here but how would you guys feel about trading a good prospect like Webster for someone like Trumbo. Angels are shopping him for a young arm. Obviously that would keep Doubront in the 5th spot. I'll pass on Trumbo. He hits for a low average, doesn't walk much, and strikes out a TON. The sox need a 1B with a high OBP
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 29, 2013 23:02:06 GMT -5
Trumbo has a .299 career OBP in three full seasons. Career high is .317 last year. He's like Middlebrooks with even lower OBP skills but even more power, but limited to first base defensively (ideally). I'm just not sure he fits in this lineup.
Also, splitting the Trumbo discussion out into the trade proposal subforum because this thread is supposed to be about next year's rotation.
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Post by sibbysisti on Oct 30, 2013 8:22:37 GMT -5
Interest in trading for Mark Trumbo is gaining momentum. We now have two threads going and all of nine posts.
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Post by pedey on Oct 31, 2013 19:45:22 GMT -5
Trumbo has a .299 career OBP in three full seasons. Career high is .317 last year. He's like Middlebrooks with even lower OBP skills but even more power, but limited to first base defensively (ideally). I'm just not sure he fits in this lineup. Also, splitting the Trumbo discussion out into the trade proposal subforum because this thread is supposed to be about next year's rotation. I agree. Trumbo's low OBP isn't very appealing. He strikes out a lot too. I don't think he fits in the lineup. It's nice to have a first baseman who can get on base a lot. Who knows: Maybe Trumbo could improve his plate discipline with some mentoring from Ortiz?
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