A Logical Look at Giancarlo Stanton

How do you guys feel about these deals for each team? Personally I think they're realistic and make definite sense for each team involved. The Sox give up good players, but they can still keep most of their core chips and would still have a deep farm. Their lineup would look scary, and they'd have to look like world series favorites.


Sox: Giancarlo Stanton
Miami: Jackie Bradley Jr, SS Orlando Arcia, Allen Webster (or Ranaudo), Wendell Rijo, Brian Johnson, Sean Coyle
Brewers: Mike Carp, CL Steve Cishek, Ryan Dempster (@8mil)

Sox: Carlos Gonzales
Dodgers: Lackey, Lavarnway
Rockies: LF Joc Pederson, SP Tom Windle, Will Middlebrooks, Bryce Brentz



CarGo/Pedroia/Stanton/Ortiz/Napoli/Bogaerts/Pierzynski/Victorino/Young
Lester - Buccholz - Peavy - Doubront - Workman
Ross - Gomes - Nava - Herrera
Uehara - Mujica - Tazawa - Breslow - Miller - Britton - Badenhop (I'd love to see Bailey as depth)

We could then sign Michael Young or Placido Polanco for 1yr at 3rd, considering Cecchini will be ready next year barring a set back.
We would still have Vazquez to take over next year, and Swihart the following year.
Barnes and Ranaudo would be ready to step in if needed, not to mention Hinojosa might not be too far off. We also keep our high cieling guys like Owens, Ball, Ruby, Stank, Diaz, Callahan, Littrell.
Betts could be moved to CF this year at AAA and take over after Victorino is gone.
Hassan, Margot and Marrero would still provide depth, not to mention the plethora of relievers we have waiting in line.

I really don't think trading some of our farm to upgrade necessarily has to be a bad idea. I know we had the whole Crawford fiasco, so most people seem afraid of tying up money, but this could actually work. Just because it didn't work once doesn't mean it never will. We could move Stanton off of LF to 1B when Napoli's deal is up to lessen the chance of injury and keep his legs fresh. CarGo has been producing steadily, and has shown he could handle RF at Fenway. This also sets us up to still really compete in a couple years. The lineup could look very special for '16, and the farm would still be very deep-

LF Gonzales
2B Pedroia
SS Bogaerts
1B Stanton
3B Cecchini
DH Nava or Nap
CF Betts
C Swihart / Vazquez
RF Margot

I think they might be able to get him at a fair price at the deadline, or maybe earlier knowing there's no way he's re signing long term in Miami. They'd probably have to throw in Owens into that deal, which could work. Why would he bolt to the Yankees? We would offer him the same money and a better chance of winning. We could negotiate an extension before a trade/FA is complete as well.

The rockies aren't really going anywhere, finishing 18 back and can't catch both the Dodgers and D Backs. They should be looking at the possibilities of moving Gonzo and/or Tulo at some point to get younger talent. I really don't think we necessarily have to wreck the system to make the deal either, as we have the deepest system. If we can still acquire both these guys and make out with X, Cecchini, Swi, Barnes, Betts, Vazq, Ball, Ranaudo, Margot, Devers, Workman etc .. aren't we still considered extremely loaded? I'd rather see us unload some veteran pitching to flip prospects, but throwing a couple in doesn't really drain us.

Just some thoughts, personally I'd absolutely love to see that lineup. I think Stanton would crush the wall at Fenway, and CarGo could help fill the void from Ells.

Acquiring Stanton is going to cost the Sox either:

1)Xander and at least 2 more of our top 10 prospects
or
2)4 to 6 of our prospects 2-10

This will be the case regardless of whether or not we get another team involved. We are not getting Stanton anytime soon, I say this because I don’t think BC is interested in trading away that much young talent, but if we did make a trade the names wouldn’t be Rijo, Lavarnway, Coyle, Brentz, Lackey, Dempster, Johnson. The names that would have to be in the mix would be: Xander, Cecchini, Swihart, Owens, Barnes, Webster, Betts, Doubront, Middlebrooks

I don't see Stanton coming either. We just don't seem to be into those kind of deals anymore. Not only are we stockpiling prospects, but we're also not handing out huge long-term deals. It would be way bigger than the AGon deal.

The only logical look at Stanton, is to look away. It's not because BC is adverse to these kinds of deals so they won't happen anymore, it's because it's not the time to do it.

First, it's not a huge need at this point.

Second, it's a greater priority to see how this wave, at this time, starts to fit into the roster to give the team years of salary flexibility.

Third, Stanton is way over-rated and not the player you should both pay a kings ransom and pay huge dollars for. Everyone is in love with what they hope he is versus what he has been. The power is phenomenal, but the rest of the package including durability hasn't been. I'd take him in a heartbeat, but not at the price.

Forth, Miami isn't trading him.

It's kinda funny, but looking at the original trade offer already looks like we lost horribly if it were made. It'll be interesting to read this in 6-7 years.

Moran is the 3b of the future at Miami. Sure, he's 1 1/2-2y away, but they just need someone to tide them over until then and not a biggie. Whoever they get to do that will not be a big piece and WMB at this stage is a "throw in", who has done little to nothing the last season and a half, not the kind of piece in a Stanton trade that would make any kind of difference one way or the other.

I don't see any interest now anyway. McGehee has done a tremendous job with the Fish, clutch hits have been his forte. They even have him under team control for next season. Why would they want to acquire someone with an OBP .100 less when they already are have issues at other positions with people that can't hit?

The entire story is based on "If he can look like the guy who posted an .835 OPS in his rookie season, that scenario might not be quite as far-fetched as it seems."

Which is ridiculously far-fetched at this point.

Let's start with "If he can stay healthy for 2 months in a row".

If we're talking a realistic trade scenario for the Marlins to trade Stanton to the Red Sox this upcoming offseason, I think this is what the Marlins demand in a trade for Stanton.

I'd think they'd make a deal if it was a four for one that included Mookie Betts, Christian Vazquez, Henry Owens, and Rafael Devers. I believe that package would get the Red Sox Stanton.

I don't think I'd make that deal if I were the Red Sox, as much as I would love to see them get Stanton.

Perhaps others think differently and I wouldn't blame them if they did, but I think this is closer to a realistic type of deal for Stanton.

Don't think the Marlins have any thoughts of dealing him at the deadline. They're still in it. However you did bring up some interesting names in Coyle and Johnson. Coyle could very well be a power hitting 2b/3b if he continues upon what he's done this year and Johnson looks like he'll be a big league starter at some point.

And you brought up "lottery ticket". Does that potentially mean Devers? If I were the Marlins and wanted a lottery ticket, that's the guy I'd want.

Cecchini is not a guy I make untouchable in any trade talks.

It would, and I agree that it's a bit too much. If you build it around Betts and Owens as the centerpieces and lesser secondary pieces than Vazquez and Devers, that might still keep you in the realm of realistic. If it was say, Mookie, Owens, and Margot? I would do that and I think the Marlins would have to think about it.