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RedSox acquiring RHP Burke Badenhop
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 22, 2013 13:18:03 GMT -5
“@scottlauber: #RedSox announce minor trade, acquiring RHP Burke Badenhop from Brewers for minor league pitcher Luis Ortega”
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Post by amfox1 on Nov 22, 2013 13:20:33 GMT -5
Badenhop is a 30YO RHP. He is 3rd year arb eligible. He made $1.55mm last year.
We now have a full 40-man roster, unless there is another roster transaction to announce.
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Post by mredsox89 on Nov 22, 2013 13:25:27 GMT -5
Heavy 3 year R/L splits
Vs. RHB: .245 avg, .274 OBP, .347 SLG Vs. LHB: .299 avg, .375 OBP, .442 SLG
Big GB pitcher, low walk rate. Good move for the Sox
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Post by taftreign on Nov 22, 2013 13:28:50 GMT -5
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 22, 2013 13:32:46 GMT -5
Don't know a thing about Ortega beyond his stat line and that he's lefty. His numbers look good and perhaps this is a regrettable deal in the future - I'll leave it for the experts here to educate me on Ortega - I certainly need it, but I like the Sox dealing for viable bullpen depth.
Badenhop has pitched pretty well the past couple of years and he doesn't beat himself. He throws strikes, keeps the ball in the ballpark at a good rate and apparently is a groundball pitcher who is set to make some money, which explains the deal.
The Sox were really short on bullpen depth last year, particularly from the right side, so I like Ben's first move - a quiet move that could pay dividends in the middle innings. Should be interesting to see who Ben goes after for the 8th inning setup role.
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Post by elguapo on Nov 22, 2013 13:33:26 GMT -5
I figure we want to add one power RH arm to have a complete bullpen, absent further changes.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 22, 2013 13:40:36 GMT -5
Badenhop, one of the great pitching names in baseball, along with Josh Outman of Colorado.
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Post by bjb406 on Nov 22, 2013 13:44:17 GMT -5
respectable numbers for ortega, but we are pretty flush with pitching in the lower levels, and I didn't even know who this guy was. Badenhop seems like a solid inexpensive option. Good deal. Now though with the roster at 40 it is gonna be tricky if and when we make a move for a catcher and/or first basemen. Assuming we don't go with in house options we might have to make a trade just for the roster space.
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 22, 2013 13:49:48 GMT -5
His last three seasons have been virtually the same for him. Steady reliever, but nothing too special. I like the move.
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 22, 2013 14:02:27 GMT -5
@shesta_Sox: Burke Badenhop and Sergio Romo were the only relief qualifiers with a BB/9 rate under 2.0 and a HR/9 rate under 1.0 in both 2012 and 2013.
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Post by mattpicard on Nov 22, 2013 14:16:04 GMT -5
Love the move. Low-cost, strike-throwing right-hander who has been very effective vs. RHB's throughout his career (2.85 FIP, 5.68 K/BB, .642 OPS allowed). Him and Miller provide that boost for the sixth/seventh innings that we desperately needed this season.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 22, 2013 14:20:56 GMT -5
A little bit surprised that was the best the Brewers could do. Then again, they get to pick up a lottery ticket like Ortega for a player they were probably going to lose for nothing after a year of non-contention.
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Post by jmei on Nov 22, 2013 14:22:24 GMT -5
A little bit surprised that was the best the Brewers could do. Then again, they get to pick up a lottery ticket like Ortega for a player they were probably going to lose for nothing after a year of non-contention. Yeah, but if they hung onto him and dealt him at the deadline, you'd have to think they could have done better than Ortega, right?
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 22, 2013 14:23:40 GMT -5
Yep, unless they like Ortega specifically.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 22, 2013 14:38:07 GMT -5
Ortega probably is good enough to be starting in the lower minors, but wasn't going to get that chance with Boston because the team is flush with starters in Low A and below.
I'll be honest, I even forgot he existed, which says something.
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 22, 2013 14:39:25 GMT -5
I think that's it for extra relievers. They found a guy they are very confident will be good in the 7th inning, who is situationally useful (tough on RHB, gets groundballs), makes very little, and was available for next to nothing. This indicates confidence in Workman to pitch in higher leverage, between Tazawa and Badenhop in the RHR pecking order.
Pen is now:
Uehara Tazawa Miller Workman (still strteched out in ST as a starter, though) Breslow Badenhop Morales or Dempster*
Villareal is hoping that someone starts the season on the DL; he fills the Aardsma / Albers / Littleton / Bonser role of the extra guy with perceived upside who has no options left and 12 guys ahead of him on the depth chart (and you can see how widely the results have varied). And unless he's terrific in ST, he can probably be gotten through waivers just before opening day (something they did with Bronson Arroyo once).
*In one scenario, where they re-sign both Ellbsury and Napoli, they've traded Peavy already to free up salary, Dempster is the 5th starter, and Morales the 3rd lefty and long man. He could be traded in ST to open up a spot for Villareal, though.
In a more likely scenario, one was traded over the winter to clear a roster spot to acquire a backup MI.
In a third scenario, they've opted to go with Brock Holt in the latter role, kept all of their pitching, and one of these guys is traded in ST.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 22, 2013 16:25:12 GMT -5
Badenhop, one of the great pitching names in baseball, along with Josh Outman of Colorado. Outstanding nickname also if it carries over from the marlins also Norm.. Fish announcer Tommy Hutton was one of his biggest fans. Gave him the handle "The Hopper" real early.. This guy is VERY GOOD in my opinion in getting a ground ball when it counts. I am simply astonished that Boston got him this cheap. Yes.. Have not seen him as much since he left the Fish last 2 years and he's pitched with TB/brewers, but this guy is a ground ball machine. HEAVY sinking action on everything. Mortenson who has good skills. This guy might be all they need to acquire and they stole him.
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Post by ray88h66 on Nov 22, 2013 17:02:57 GMT -5
I think that's it for extra relievers. *In one scenario, where they re-sign both Ellbsury and Napoli, they've traded Peavy already to free up salary, Dempster is the 5th starter, and Morales the 3rd lefty and long man. He could be traded in ST to open up a spot for Villareal, though. In a more likely scenario, one was traded over the winter to clear a roster spot to acquire a backup MI. In a third scenario, they've opted to go with Brock Holt in the latter role, kept all of their pitching, and one of these guys is traded in ST. I like scenario 3. Can they really do scenario 1 and stay under the cap?
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Post by soxfan06 on Nov 22, 2013 17:21:47 GMT -5
Brewers fans keep complaining about him letting inherited runners score. Also suggesting stats are misleading.
Probably just normal sour grapes right?
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 22, 2013 17:28:17 GMT -5
I think that's it for extra relievers. *In one scenario, where they re-sign both Ellbsury and Napoli, they've traded Peavy already to free up salary, Dempster is the 5th starter, and Morales the 3rd lefty and long man. He could be traded in ST to open up a spot for Villareal, though. In a more likely scenario, one was traded over the winter to clear a roster spot to acquire a backup MI. In a third scenario, they've opted to go with Brock Holt in the latter role, kept all of their pitching, and one of these guys is traded in ST. I like scenario 3. Can they really do scenario 1 and stay under the cap? I'm going to run down the roster and salary scenarios in more detail later tonight. But the short version (which I figured out after I posted this) is that they could stay under the tax limit while re-signing both guys if they go cheap at C (e.g., $2.3M for Hanigan) and get about $6M-$7M of relief, which they might be able to get in a Dempster trade. If they trade Peavy, it's completely doable.
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Post by sammo420 on Nov 22, 2013 17:39:58 GMT -5
Brewers fans keep complaining about him letting inherited runners score. Also suggesting stats are misleading. Probably just normal sour grapes right? Without knowing how he's been used its tough to tell but he's a ground ball pitcher so he'd be coming in with runners on looking for a double play. If you're in enough of those situations they have to score eventually so yeah, I say sour grapes.
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Post by mattpicard on Nov 22, 2013 18:01:19 GMT -5
Only 19 of his 63 appearances this year were high-leverage per BB-Ref. His numbers were terrible in those rare high-leverage situations but very it's a very SSS. For his career, he's at .302/.375/.481/.856 in 284 PAs. Also, FWIW, he had 9 shutdowns vs. 12 meltdowns in 2013. He let 34% of inherited runners score, which is 1% above his 33% career average. A lot of stats imply he's less effective in meaningful situations, but they're significantly influenced by 2013, which, while recent, is only one season. Plus, most pitchers are going to be worse in tougher situations. As a ground ball guy who throws strikes, I'm happy to have him as our fifth or sixth best reliever.
Red Sox Stats ?@redsoxstats 4h Only Koji (.204) had a better wOBA against RHH than Badenhop (.252) on the Red Sox last year. Tazawa (.304).
Also, he's apparently a great guy, and pretty funny.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Nov 22, 2013 18:02:55 GMT -5
That's exactly how Miami used him and they at times had an atrocious infield consisting of Hanley at SS, Bonifacio at 3b and Uggla playing 2b. The guy (The Hopper) is very good at inducing the ground ball. If Boston can manage to have a solid defensive SS to tag team with Pedey next season, or if Bogaerts is at least average as has been tagged and ends up playing it? Sox fans should be very happy when Farrell brings him in. The guy gets outstanding sink on his FB and sinker.
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Post by soxfan06 on Nov 22, 2013 18:09:19 GMT -5
Some more interesting figures: 1st batters against him: .333/.349/.517 With runners on: .305/.342/.457 Empty bases: .234/.263/.344
Seems like the kind of guy who needs to be starting innings, rather than coming in to clean them up.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 22, 2013 18:24:51 GMT -5
Some more interesting figures: 1st batters against him: .333/.349/.517 With runners on: .305/.342/.457 Empty bases: .234/.263/.344 Seems like the kind of guy who needs to be starting innings, rather than coming in to clean them up. Which is ironic given his stuff, right? Milwaukee did not use him in high leverage situations at all. Among their relievers who pitched at least 20 innings (which includes the traded John Axford), he only had the seventh-highest leverage index upon entering the game, and it was 1.07, which is "average." He's been around average since 2010. So yeah, he seems like a decent enough middle innings guy who they gave up next to nothing for, so why not?
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