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There is surely a big trade coming
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 8, 2013 5:28:18 GMT -5
As a point of reference, their combined 2014 salary is $26.5m. This goes up to $36m in 2015, the same year Lackey goes into minimum wages.
The Rockies are most likely going to want primarily position prospects, their farm has some decent pitching prospects now.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 8, 2013 12:27:38 GMT -5
Would Workman Morales and Dempster get it done for Kemp? Maybe a prospect in there They laugh and hangup the phone I don't want to trade Workman! His value is a lot higher then people think. If we gave them Workman, Morales and Dempster and took all of Kemp's salary that is not a bad offer. It's not a great offer, but it's not a laugh and hang up the phone type offer. Unless the Dodgers eat a large chunk of his salary, his value is very low. What 6 years and 128 million, and you don't know how the injuries will effect him, your not giving up any elite prospects. If they pay like 18-20 million and take on Dempsters contract I would offer Dempster, Morales, Nava and Betts. Betts could be their 2b of the future. If they would pay more of his salary I'd include Webster.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 8, 2013 14:46:25 GMT -5
I'm probably the only one, but I want zero to do with Stanton. I don't want to see him in Boston at all considering what the cost is likely to be. Unless, you could Fleece the Marlins into thinking 2 of Webster, Barnes, Ranaudo and Ruby were the headliners.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 8, 2013 15:13:04 GMT -5
I'm probably the only one, but I want zero to do with Stanton. I don't want to see him in Boston at all considering what the cost is likely to be. Unless, you could Fleece the Marlins into thinking 2 of Webster, Barnes, Ranaudo and Ruby were the headliners. I would love Stanton and I think Webster/Barnes and Ranaudo would be ok to start with for the Marlins, its what they would also want that makes a trade for him a long shot. I'm sure they'd want something like a Betts, Brentz and one of our three good catching prospects. That would gut our system. I love our group of young pitchers, if you keep all of them, 2-3 should become solid, maybe one becomes an ace. Maybe they are impact relievers or solid number 3-5 starters. You know all of them won't pan out. That's why I go after Kemp, we have to take a huge risk in terms of money, but the prospects needed would be much less.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Dec 8, 2013 16:37:33 GMT -5
I'm probably the only one, but I want zero to do with Stanton. I don't want to see him in Boston at all considering what the cost is likely to be. Unless, you could Fleece the Marlins into thinking 2 of Webster, Barnes, Ranaudo and Ruby were the headliners. You're not the only one. He would cost too much IMO. Maybe a few years down the road.
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Post by bmitchsox on Dec 8, 2013 23:02:21 GMT -5
Maybe Doubront, Nava, Betts, Webster, Brentz, Margot, Lava? Im pretty low on Webster and Brentz, Carp is very similar to Nava anyway, and we would be fine without Doubront. I'd love Stanton, but only if the cost is fair. Cecchini and Swihart should be off limits. Eventually Jennings has to see that Stanton won't resign.
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Post by taftreign on Dec 8, 2013 23:51:21 GMT -5
There may very well be a big trade coming but I don't see it being an established All-Star. To me Ben is more likely to produce a trade for a player who they believe is about to break into the All-Star level of play within the next few seasons. Why pay premium dollars for the availability of star players that come with question marks of there own like Stanton, Kemp, Tulo and Cargo all of whom have an injury history. The question is who are the ready to break out players already in the major leagues or prospects about to enter the league? These are the players that will still cost decent prospects but not a package of 2 top 50s and 2 more top 150s. If I'm the GM this is how I'm proceeding at this point particular since I wouldn't feel as though I really needed to make such a move out of necessity.
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Post by taftreign on Dec 9, 2013 1:03:15 GMT -5
Otherwise if I can't find a player to meet the break out criteria similar to Brandon Belt or Kyle Seager and I'm willing to take on an injury risk similar to the more expensive Stanton, Kemp, Tulo, Cargo then I'd try to pry away Carlos Quentin from San Diego. He's currently their most expensive player making 9.5 mil in 2014, 8 M in 2015 with 3M buyout and 10 mil mutual option for 2016. A very team friendly deal so it would require some value of prospects. The worry is he has played 118, 86 and 82 games respectively in 2011, 2012 and 2013. I think he would make a solid right-handed power bat in LF filling the strong side of a platoon with the plan of 125 starts to limit his exposure and attempt to reduce his likelihood for injury. Quentin produced well in his limited time in 2012 and 2013 while unsurprisingly having much better numbers away from Petco Park.
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Post by oleary25 on Dec 9, 2013 2:41:43 GMT -5
I'm sure I'll get ridiculed for this but I'll put this out there. San Diego is looking for help In the pen and it's been reported they're willing to deal Kyle Blanks. I know he's injury prone but I can't help but drool over his raw power in Fenway away from Petco. He has a good a good OBP in all stages of the minors plays LF and 1B. Thoughts ?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 9, 2013 9:56:40 GMT -5
The projections for Blanks are considerably lower than those of Nava. It's a downgrade offensively and we already have 3 left fielders.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 9, 2013 11:06:24 GMT -5
Yeah I don't think Blanks in a vacuum is a bad idea, it's just that they're already pretty crowded at that position.
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Post by rsfs04 on Dec 9, 2013 12:53:29 GMT -5
Chase Headley is the guy that I think I want most the more I think about it. Here's a guy who would instantly be an upgrade over Middlebrooks, and better fits the Red Sox mold of high walks (11.2% last year, Will was 5.3%) which leads to higher OBP (.347 vs .308). I would include Middlebrooks, one of Barnes, Ranuado, or Webster, and a nice throw in (Coyle was mentioned earlier, which I could see). He would be your 3rd baseman for next years, at which point you either decide he is worth the money, or hopefully have Garin to step in.
The big question is whether the Padres really want to move him, as he is coming off a down year and could get more at a deadline deal if he bounces back.
Edit: Read contract details wrong, free agent after next season.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 9, 2013 13:08:41 GMT -5
This time of year drives me nuts as I sit here and hope the Red Sox don't trade away the next Rizzo for someone they didn't need to win the World Series a little more than a month ago.
The talk about Kemp is insane. I'd give them Dempster for Kemp and a prospect because that's what Kemp's trade value should be - about as much as Crawford's - NEGATIVE.
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Post by brendan98 on Dec 9, 2013 13:51:52 GMT -5
I am kind of indifferent to the idea of trading for Stanton, obviously he would be a great addition, but I think we are kidding ourselves if we think that his price tag is going to be reasonable in terms of prospects, or in terms of what we would need to pay him to keep him in Boston for the next 10 years, and we would have to wrap him up to a long term deal with the talent we would have to give up to acquire him.
I think any deal would require multiple major league or close to major league ready players, think 2 or 3 of Doubront, Owens, Webster, Barnes, RDLR, Ranaudo, Workman on the pitching side, and 2 or 3 of WMB, Cecchini, Bradley, Swihart, Bogaerts (obviously not happening), Betts, Marrero. The Marlins are not taking Lackey, Dempster, or Peavy as a major part of a deal for Stanton, Nava and Brentz would also be little more than throw ins to them as well. Anybody who thinks we can acquire Stanton for Lackey, Nava, Ranaudo, Brentz and Betts (or something similar to that) is seriously delusional, we are not even in the conversation with a package of players like that.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Dec 9, 2013 14:46:59 GMT -5
The Phillies are apparently shopping Domonic brown in an attempt to acquire cost controllable pitching per MLBTR.
Thoughts?
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Post by mainesox on Dec 9, 2013 15:01:56 GMT -5
The Phillies are apparently shopping Domonic brown in an attempt to acquire cost controllable pitching per MLBTR. Thoughts? Alex Wilson is cost controllable pitching.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 9, 2013 15:38:05 GMT -5
The Phillies are apparently shopping Domonic brown in an attempt to acquire cost controllable pitching per MLBTR. Thoughts? Alex Wilson is cost controllable pitching. So am I, technically.
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Post by jmei on Dec 9, 2013 15:46:52 GMT -5
Brown is another one of those outfielders that is probably an upgrade on Nava but not by enough to be worth the trade acquisition cost. He's a good hitter (Steamer projects .272/.336/.470 (121 wRC+, .349 wOBA), ZiPS projects .272/.333/.497 (.353 wOBA)) but a pretty bad defensive corner outfielder (career -15.6 UZR/150, -10 TZ/yr, -15 DRS/yr) who overall projects to be an average to above-average regular. Like Nava, he's much better versus righties than lefties and has four years of team control left. He's got more upside than Nava because of his power tool, but his present performance is pretty meh so far.
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Post by soxfan94 on Dec 9, 2013 15:47:39 GMT -5
how bout a 3 team deal where
-we send nava carp and dempster to team X -WMB and maybe a prospect to LAD -we recieve Kemp. -team X sends prospects to LAD
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 9, 2013 23:31:25 GMT -5
how bout a 3 team deal where -we send nava carp and dempster to team X -WMB and maybe a prospect to LAD -we recieve Kemp. -team X sends prospects to LAD You seem desperate to make a trade just for the sake of making a trade. Matt Kemp is a name. That's it. He's damaged goods. Why would the Sox send a .370ish OBP affordable guy, a solid affordable LH corner IF/OF who's capable of playing everyday, and our starting 3b for a player who very most likely will never be anywhere near as good as he ever was and is signed up for six years at big bucks? Why should the Sox do this? Answer: They shouldn't and they won't. Matt Kemp is injured goods.
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Post by soxfan94 on Dec 10, 2013 2:03:51 GMT -5
how bout a 3 team deal where -we send nava carp and dempster to team X -WMB and maybe a prospect to LAD -we recieve Kemp. -team X sends prospects to LAD You seem desperate to make a trade just for the sake of making a trade. Matt Kemp is a name. That's it. He's damaged goods. Why would the Sox send a .370ish OBP affordable guy, a solid affordable LH corner IF/OF who's capable of playing everyday, and our starting 3b for a player who very most likely will never be anywhere near as good as he ever was and is signed up for six years at big bucks? Why should the Sox do this? Answer: They shouldn't and they won't. Matt Kemp is injured goods. That is not why I want Matt Kemp. Even if his power is zapped by the labrum injury(the only injury of his three that should linger) he is a good player. Is he worth 20mil without the power? Absolutely not, but reports are that the Dodgers would eat salary if they received prospects and WMB. I think that Matt Kemp hitting 280+ with 35 doubles, 20hrs, under control at 12-15million a year until he is 34 and with the potential of returning to his 2011-early 2012 form (his numbers after May were significantly better) is worth what I say we could give up. I also think this scenario improves our 3b situation because Drew>WMB. I do not want Matt Kemp because he is a name. I want him because I, personally, am confident that he will produce in the coming years, even if it isn't on par with 2011, and because Drew will produce better than WMB.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 10, 2013 13:49:26 GMT -5
You seem desperate to make a trade just for the sake of making a trade. Matt Kemp is a name. That's it. He's damaged goods. Why would the Sox send a .370ish OBP affordable guy, a solid affordable LH corner IF/OF who's capable of playing everyday, and our starting 3b for a player who very most likely will never be anywhere near as good as he ever was and is signed up for six years at big bucks? Why should the Sox do this? Answer: They shouldn't and they won't. Matt Kemp is injured goods. That is not why I want Matt Kemp. Even if his power is zapped by the labrum injury(the only injury of his three that should linger) he is a good player. Is he worth 20mil without the power? Absolutely not, but reports are that the Dodgers would eat salary if they received prospects and WMB. I think that Matt Kemp hitting 280+ with 35 doubles, 20hrs, under control at 12-15million a year until he is 34 and with the potential of returning to his 2011-early 2012 form (his numbers after May were significantly better) is worth what I say we could give up. I also think this scenario improves our 3b situation because Drew>WMB. I do not want Matt Kemp because he is a name. I want him because I, personally, am confident that he will produce in the coming years, even if it isn't on par with 2011, and because Drew will produce better than WMB. But that's just it. We don't know if Kemp is even a 20 HR, 35 double guy anymore. He might not be able to even do that. It's very possible this guy's body continues to break down and you get a guy on the field a part of the time not putting up stellar numbers. It's not like the guy was an OBP machine prior to his injury. His power is what set him apart and that might be mostly gone. He's extremely risky and the medical reports don't seem too good. If he gets dealt I would think it would be later because teams need to see how he recovers first before making a commitment.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 10, 2013 15:08:23 GMT -5
Will Carroll ? @injuryexpert
Teams asking about Matt kemp out after seeing medicals. Not good.
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Post by jimoh on Dec 10, 2013 21:41:30 GMT -5
I think of Kemp as a Hail Mary Pass. If you are one superstar away from having a shot in the next few years (i.e. you're pretty mediocre), and have nothing else to spend money on, then you take a gamble on Kemp.
We have no reason to throw a Hail Mary pass any time in the next few years.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 11, 2013 9:30:11 GMT -5
I think of Kemp as a Hail Mary Pass. If you are one superstar away from having a shot in the next few years (i.e. you're pretty mediocre), and have nothing else to spend money on, then you take a gamble on Kemp. We have no reason to throw a Hail Mary pass any time in the next few years. What is the point, especially when there are guys like Choo available right now? I can't imagine any team being interested now unless they are giving him away.
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