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Post by soxfanatic on Dec 16, 2013 13:21:34 GMT -5
The strength of the list is obvious in so many ways. Take Vazquez, a 23 year old catcher who's reached AAA, has well developed defensive chops, and good onbase skills. Projected by scouts to have starting catcher potential, he's 14th! Wasn't it Callis who said he wouldn't be surprised if he were much better in the majors than his scouting report ever suggested? Keith Law right? |
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 16, 2013 13:23:47 GMT -5
Wasn't it Callis who said he wouldn't be surprised if he were much better in the majors than his scouting report ever suggested? Keith Law right? That's it, thanks. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 16, 2013 13:25:46 GMT -5
I'd expect it will still show in the 2014 Prospect Handbook. Edit: Referring to the 5 year line up projection. I actually doubt that. I think ramireja is correct that the 25 and under list replaced it. As ramireja alludes to, it was a bit silly, as it's not like it could really be taken seriously. The 25U list is probably more useful on the same questions - how do the prospects fit in the greater organizational picture? And not to bury the lede here, but we'll likely have Speier on the Podcast later this week. |
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 16, 2013 13:30:57 GMT -5
And not to bury the lede here, but we'll likely have Speier on the Podcast later this week. Sweet! |
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Post by pedroiaesque on Dec 16, 2013 13:45:53 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 16, 2013 13:46:15 GMT -5
The single biggest surprise to me was Owens positioning. The reason it surprises me is that BA is pretty much scouting based and the scouting comments the past few months have been nowhere near as glowing as the sabermetric comments.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 16, 2013 13:52:26 GMT -5
I don't understand the point because I don't think there was any question that Alex would write it himself. That's what writers do. |
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Post by pedroiaesque on Dec 16, 2013 13:55:24 GMT -5
I don't understand the point because I don't think there was any question that Alex would write it himself. That's what writers do. I meant that he wrote the story on WEEI about the story he wrote for BA. It wasn't a big deal; I just found it amusing. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 16, 2013 14:01:35 GMT -5
I don't understand the point because I don't think there was any question that Alex would write it himself. That's what writers do. I meant that he wrote the story on WEEI about the story he wrote for BA. It wasn't a big deal; I just found it amusing. Not anymore at least? |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 16, 2013 14:12:35 GMT -5
I am about 90ish percent sure it was Callis 4 or 5 years ago who talked about their general methodology for creating their lists (top 30 book edition). What he said was that they try to get 8 to 10 opinions from within the organization and 8 to 10 from outside the organization for at least the top 20. I remember also that he mentioned in the pre-Theo era, how difficult it was to find opinions on prospects in the 21-30 range and that they would often find themselves calling around for suggestions near the deadline.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 16, 2013 14:14:55 GMT -5
I don't understand the point because I don't think there was any question that Alex would write it himself. That's what writers do. I meant that he wrote the story on WEEI about the story he wrote for BA. It wasn't a big deal; I just found it amusing. It would have been except he didn't write the WEEI story, that's a staff blog not a Speier story. |
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Post by borisman on Dec 16, 2013 14:20:12 GMT -5
BA used to run the chats for free until they were over. Not anymore I guess.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 16, 2013 14:26:16 GMT -5
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Post by RedSoxStats on Dec 16, 2013 14:37:13 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on Dec 16, 2013 14:41:53 GMT -5
From Speier's chat regarding Allen Webster:
Alex Speier: Answers were mixed as to whether evaluators would rather have Webster or Owens. I feel like Webster's standing (relative to Owens) might be greater in the industry as a whole than within the Sox organization…
If this is true and decision makers in other organizations are still high on Webster then, to paraphrase a character from Raiders of the Lost Ark: "Trade him. Trade him now (for all you can get)."
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Post by borisman on Dec 16, 2013 14:42:13 GMT -5
Thanks soxscout. I couldn't find it.  |
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 16, 2013 14:42:26 GMT -5
The single biggest surprise to me was Owens positioning. The reason it surprises me is that BA is pretty much scouting based and the scouting comments the past few months have been nowhere near as glowing as the sabermetric comments. I'm not sure stats vs. scouts is the right characterization for the Owens debate. Both scouts and statheads are pretty divided on him. With a walk rate up over 12% he's not exactly a sabermetric darling. I'm interested in seeing the full top 100, because I want to know if they like Bradley less than I do, or they just love Owens that much. |
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Post by RedSoxStats on Dec 16, 2013 14:48:25 GMT -5
How exciting is his answer on Devers, damn.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Dec 16, 2013 14:51:01 GMT -5
From Speier's chat regarding Allen Webster: Alex Speier: Answers were mixed as to whether evaluators would rather have Webster or Owens. I feel like Webster's standing (relative to Owens) might be greater in the industry as a whole than within the Sox organization…If this is true and decision makers in other organizations are still high on Webster then, to paraphrase a character from Raiders of the Lost Ark: "Trade him. Trade him now (for all you can get)." Haha when I saw his answer i thought of you. Also Alex said Devers impressed people at instructs and that he might have the best hitting potential other than X in the system. |
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Post by Guidas on Dec 16, 2013 14:55:02 GMT -5
Love the Devers info, as well, as all I've heard about him is mostly that we signed him and that he's good.
Honestly,. every time I see Webster pitch I am as in love with his stuff as anyone else. Right up until he throws the next pitch and hits the mascot.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 16, 2013 14:57:11 GMT -5
Alex Speier: Figured it was worth talking about Devers in the context of both of these questions -- Devers has as much offensive upside as anyone in the Red Sox system save, perhaps, for Bogaerts. He absolutely dazzled anyone who saw him in instructional league. The only thing holding back his ranking is the fact that he's never played an official pro game and, for goodness sakes, he's 16, but after Bogaerts, Devers is the likeliest guy in the Sox system to emerge as a middle-of-the-order hitter.
This is kinda exciting.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Dec 16, 2013 15:18:26 GMT -5
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Post by jimoh on Dec 16, 2013 15:20:19 GMT -5
Very interesting on Webster/Buchholz
"Webster has an outrageous ceiling [...] but it's very reasonable to wonder about the likelihood that he'll hit it given that he looked overwhelmed on the big league stage this year. Still, the same was said about Clay Buchholz five years ago -- and indeed it is worth noting that Buchholz has described watching Webster as being something akin to an out-of-body flashback for him."
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Post by oilcansman on Dec 16, 2013 15:29:32 GMT -5
The legend of Rafael Devers has begun. Remember, if he lived in the U.S. he'd been a junior in high school right now. If he's a prospect it'll be three or four years before he reaches Portland.
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Post by oilcansman on Dec 16, 2013 15:32:44 GMT -5
Deven Marrero. He's 6 feet, played three years at Arizona State, and last hit during his freshman year at A State. I know he's a very good fielder, but I haven't heard anyone compare him to Iglesias. Sox dumped Iglesias, whose hitting ability is much like Marrero's. Why are some people, including Gammons and the Sox, high on him? I don't see it.
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