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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 16, 2014 10:40:44 GMT -5
@ken_Rosenthal: BREAKING: Ryan Dempster will not pitch for #RedSox in 2014 due to physical reasons and his desire to spend more time with his kids.
@ken_Rosenthal: #RedSox expected to place Dempster on restricted list. He would not receive his $13.25M salary in 2014.
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Post by wskeleton76 on Feb 16, 2014 10:41:42 GMT -5
It is suprising but not bad new for Red Sox.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Feb 16, 2014 10:45:49 GMT -5
Wow ... that's very surprising. I wonder what's going on here ...
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Post by highcheeseandtaters on Feb 16, 2014 10:50:52 GMT -5
WOW-- talk about curve balls. So we gained $13mm in cap relief, reduced logjam in rotation, and gained potential exposure if a season-ending injury strikes one of the starting 5.
I'm okay with that risk-- but does this have any impact on whether the Sox re-sign Drew? (sorry had to ask, I know there's a thread devoted to this already).
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Post by stevedillard on Feb 16, 2014 10:55:34 GMT -5
Pitching lost its meaning once he found out he could not drill ARod this year?
Edit: I have to think Dempster had told the Sox of this before today. I wonder whether the Sox had hoped to keep this quiet so as to leverage Drew with a lack of payroll flexibility, but ran out of time once pitchers had to report.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Feb 16, 2014 11:19:03 GMT -5
Pitching lost its meaning once he found out he could not drill ARod this year? Edit: I have to think Dempster had told the Sox of this before today. I wonder whether the Sox had hoped to keep this quiet so as to leverage Drew with a lack of payroll flexibility, but ran out of time once pitchers had to report. I don't think leverage is an issue with Drew at this point. With that said, signing him would have required the team to move salary so this at least opens the door slightly to him coming back...
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Post by soxfan06 on Feb 16, 2014 11:19:20 GMT -5
This is great news really.
Workman slides right into the spot Dempster was likely to take up at a much, much cheaper cost.
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Post by jmei on Feb 16, 2014 11:24:36 GMT -5
My first thought was that maybe he was upset about the possibility of starting the season in a bullpen role. But that seems pretty petty (especially because he was probably still next in line for starts), and he is turning 37 soon. I think he could have been an asset next year even if he wasn't traded, but the Red Sox are deep enough that there isn't much of a drop-off and the added salary flexibility is always nice.
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Post by mjay24 on Feb 16, 2014 11:25:14 GMT -5
So I have a question? I know this is not hockey but I'm curious to see if his salary still counts towards the salary cap. Last year Tim Thomas decided to walk away and although they did not have to pay his salary he counted against the cap which is why they traded him so I'm wondering what the rules are in baseball..... Anybody know?
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Post by soxfan06 on Feb 16, 2014 11:31:26 GMT -5
My first thought was that maybe he was upset about the possibility of starting the season in a bullpen role. But that seems pretty petty (especially because he was probably still next in line for starts), and he is turning 37 soon. I think he could have been an asset next year even if he wasn't traded, but the Red Sox are deep enough that there isn't much of a drop-off and the added salary flexibility is always nice. I can't even imagine being so petty that you would forfeit $13 million because he wasn't going to be in the starting 5. That would be crazy. I know it's not that, but if he was mad about that wouldn't it make more sense to just request a trade?
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Post by sibbysisti on Feb 16, 2014 11:38:58 GMT -5
I bet the Sox are quietly pleased by this development. While still having control over Ryan, they free up salary cap space to sign or trade for a need at the deadline.
It also gives an opportunity for Webster, Britton or Workman to be the #6 man on the staff.
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Post by jmei on Feb 16, 2014 11:39:31 GMT -5
So I have a question? I know this is not hockey but I'm curious to see if his salary still counts towards the salary cap. Last year Tim Thomas decided to walk away and although they did not have to pay his salary he counted against the cap which is why they traded him so I'm wondering what the rules are in baseball..... Anybody know? He was placed on the restricted list, which means he won't get paid and his salary doesn't count against the salary cap.
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Post by godot on Feb 16, 2014 11:40:22 GMT -5
Dempster seems to be a cool, straight ahead, solid person. I take his reason as the reason. Nothing more than pitching no longer was fun. Hell, he is 37,and has made a ton of money and a world series ring. And as they say, you never have enough pitching.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 16, 2014 11:40:56 GMT -5
This is why you never worry about too much pitching. It all sorts itself out. Right now this means a potential job for Brandon Workman or an actual possible opening for Ryan Madson if the Sox could sign him.
This means that Webster and Workman get the next dibs on a rotation job and by the second half of the season Ranaudo, Barnes and/or Owens could get a crack if necessary.
I'm sad for Ryan Dempster that he can't pitch this season. It sounds like his daughter has health issues and that he has neck pains which would hamper his pitching performance.
He sounds like a standup guy and I wish him and his family the best. I'm glad that he got to end his career as a world champion and had his last pitching performance be one that closed out a World Series victory in Game 1.
I do hope that he's around in early April on Opening Day to collect his World Series ring. Good luck to him.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Feb 16, 2014 11:50:19 GMT -5
I assume the answer is yes, but can someone confirm that this immediately takes him off the 40-man?
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Post by templeusox on Feb 16, 2014 11:50:56 GMT -5
Cool. Please use the money saved to sign a Cuban who walks half way to first after he hits home runs.
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Post by lennsakata on Feb 16, 2014 11:52:52 GMT -5
Are the Sox required to pay him 13.5 mil for his age 38 season if he wants to pitch in 2015? That seems like a worse scenario to me and more of a handcuff given the number of starters that theoretically would be able to contribute in 2015. I'd rather just get this last year out of the way. You would have to eat some salary to move him before this announcement but somebody would have him at 1 year, 7-8 mil but after a year off...
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Feb 16, 2014 11:52:57 GMT -5
Will dempster be able to come back next year on this contract or is he just forfeiting this salary? Is it effectively a salary dump?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 16, 2014 12:05:16 GMT -5
Based on the tweets, it looks like the feeling is that while he didn't commit to retiring, that's the likely result here.
It's tough to imagine a 38-year-old coming back after a year off.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 16, 2014 12:13:20 GMT -5
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 16, 2014 12:16:16 GMT -5
This is great news really.Workman slides right into the spot Dempster was likely to take up at a much, much cheaper cost. Loss of pitching depth is never great news. It's by no means clear that Workman is capable of handling that job, and even if he is, the Sox are still going to have that much less depth to fill in for the inevitable Buchholz/Peavey injuries.
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Post by templeusox on Feb 16, 2014 12:21:57 GMT -5
Finding out if Workman is better than Dempster is a $13M gamble I'm willing to take.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 16, 2014 12:29:14 GMT -5
Can't say enough about somebody that walks away from that much coin. I'm impressed.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 16, 2014 12:49:14 GMT -5
This is great news really.Workman slides right into the spot Dempster was likely to take up at a much, much cheaper cost. Loss of pitching depth is never great news. It's by no means clear that Workman is capable of handling that job, and even if he is, the Sox are still going to have that much less depth to fill in for the inevitable Buchholz/Peavey injuries. Very true, but there's probably no team in baseball that has as much ready or near-ready minor league pitching as the Sox. It adds to the risk level for this season, but I'll bet its a risk the team is willing to take.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 16, 2014 12:53:26 GMT -5
Finding out if Workman is better than Dempster is a $13M gamble I'm willing to take. Again, with Buchholz and Peavy on the staff, we were going to find that out anyway. Now the Red Sox will have to lean on the Allan Websters of the world as well. As far as the $13m goes, we'll see if they find any place worthwhile to spend it. I'd be happy with bringing Drew back but who knows if they actually want to do that.
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