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2014 Non-Red Sox MLB thread
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 24, 2014 16:03:43 GMT -5
They did it with Lenny Dinardo too. If it's a fake/borderline injury then it stinks more for Almanzar than it does the Red Sox. His chance, if/when it comes, is probably going to come for a second-division team rather than Boston. But to get to that point he needs reps, not a season where he hops on and off of the phantom DL. That concept isn't new either. iirc, Willie Mo Pena was a Rule 5 draft for the Reds from the Yankees and they DLed him for an entire year and when the Sox traded for him, it was pointed out that it had significantly hurt his career. Maybe or maybe not WMP might have been more than an AAAA bat.
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Post by bigpupp on Mar 24, 2014 16:07:00 GMT -5
The rules have changed since the Sox did this with Stern, though. Players can spent time on DL, but can't spend the whole year like they used to be able to. Almanzar still has to spend a lot of time on the active roster before he is theirs.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 24, 2014 16:14:26 GMT -5
They did it with Lenny Dinardo too. If it's a fake/borderline injury then it stinks more for Almanzar than it does the Red Sox. His chance, if/when it comes, is probably going to come for a second-division team rather than Boston. But to get to that point he needs reps, not a season where he hops on and off of the phantom DL. That concept isn't new either. iirc, Willie Mo Pena was a Rule 5 draft for the Reds from the Yankees and they DLed him for an entire year and when the Sox traded for him, it was pointed out that it had significantly hurt his career. Maybe or maybe not WMP might have been more than an AAAA bat. The Reds acquired Pena in the Drew Henson fiasco. I know Cincy rushed him to the majors, but that was just their organizational incompetence, and he ended up out of options at 23 before he really even had any experience at Triple-A.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 24, 2014 19:43:52 GMT -5
That concept isn't new either. iirc, Willie Mo Pena was a Rule 5 draft for the Reds from the Yankees and they DLed him for an entire year and when the Sox traded for him, it was pointed out that it had significantly hurt his career. Maybe or maybe not WMP might have been more than an AAAA bat. The Reds acquired Pena in the Drew Henson fiasco. I know Cincy rushed him to the majors, but that was just their organizational incompetence, and he ended up out of options at 23 before he really even had any experience at Triple-A. Ahh OK, then I'm confusing him with somebody else, knew there were developmental problems for WMP. Not sure who though, my bad. I saw a tweet later that said the O's would like to swing a deal with the Sox so they must like him. Maybe some IFA money ? ADD: It was Cafardo so, grain size rule applies: Nick Cafardo ?@nickcafardo 5h Orioles GM Dan Duquette is currently contemplating the next move on Red Sox Rule 5 pick 3B Michael Almanzar. A deal could be in works.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 24, 2014 20:30:14 GMT -5
Only my personal opinion of course, but I think making a deal there would best for all parties involved. Almanzar's not really a fit with the Sox, the O's clearly like him, Almanzar could probably benefit from a new organization, and the path to playing time might be more clear in Baltimore (though that last point is obviously debatable.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 24, 2014 20:35:53 GMT -5
Only my personal opinion of course, but I think making a deal there would best for all parties involved. Almanzar's not really a fit with the Sox, the O's clearly like him, Almanzar could probably benefit from a new organization, and the path to playing time might be more clear in Baltimore (though that last point is obviously debatable. LOL, just giving you some grief.... Hmmm WMB & Napoli on a 2 year deal vs. Machado & Davis.....
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 24, 2014 20:46:19 GMT -5
Like I said, definitely debatable. I still think Machado goes back to short, Davis should definitely be a DH, and the O's are severely lacking in bats on the way up. Boston, on the other hand, has Cecchini as well as more of an inclination/ability than Baltimore to spend big money.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 25, 2014 11:29:30 GMT -5
Mike DiGiovanna ?@mikedigiovanna 14m As expected, INF John McDonald, the pride of East Lyme (CT) HS, has been added to #Angels 40-man roster, meaning he has made team. New York Mets ?@mets 41m We agreed to pay Daisuke Matsuzaka $100,000 in order to retain his rights under his existing Minor League Uniform Player’s Contract. MLB Trade Rumors ?@mlbtraderumors 1h Rays Release Erik Bedard dlvr.it/5DgJ5H #mlb ADD: Mellen on the guy we chatted about a few weeks ago (the one who will be in the majors by age 11): Chris Mellen ? Chris Mellen 3h #Dodgers LHP Julio Urias is the definition of easy. Easy arm action; easy delivery; easy velo. I'm impressed. Chris Mellen ? Chris Mellen 3h Urias 91-95 with FB, sitting at 92-93; strong run and late finish; can move around plate; SL 81-82; consistent shape; commands for strikes. Pete Abraham ?@peteabe 6m MLB payroll leaders per AP: #Dodgers $235M, #Yankees $204M, #Phillies $180M, #RedSox $163M, #Tigers $162M Jon Heyman ?@jonheymancbs 12m cubs released catcher george kottaras, as @mlbbrucelevine reported. good on-base guy (kottaras, not levine).
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 26, 2014 15:34:30 GMT -5
The new instant replay center. Wow! ![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjreTvsIAAAQXr_.jpg:large)
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 26, 2014 19:07:05 GMT -5
The new instant replay center. Wow! I think the tweet that said this was the replay center was followed by a correction that it was a production unit for MLB Network.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 26, 2014 22:18:45 GMT -5
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Post by amfox1 on Mar 27, 2014 12:13:30 GMT -5
Congrats to Ryan Kalish, who made the Cubs' 25-man roster.
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Post by okin15 on Mar 27, 2014 13:11:19 GMT -5
Congrats to Ryan Kalish, who made the Cubs' 25-man roster. That's awesome!
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 27, 2014 17:46:27 GMT -5
. RT @jcrasnick: Miguel Cabrera's new deal with #tigers will be for 10 years and just under $300M, says a source
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Post by jmei on Mar 27, 2014 18:02:04 GMT -5
It's effectively an eight-year, $248m contract that covers Cabrera's age 33-40 seasons.
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Post by mredsox89 on Mar 27, 2014 18:19:39 GMT -5
Whenever we complain about Ortiz yapping about his contract at age 38/39/40, let's remember that the Tigers just locked in to Cabrera for the same ages at $93M. There seems to be a pretty decent chance this turns into a disaster
Btw, if Cabrera gets 8/248 from 33-40 today, I can't even fathom any Trout deal. At some point you think the max $ has to level out due to the limited teams in the market, but I guess not. Insanity
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Post by jdb on Mar 27, 2014 18:49:25 GMT -5
Miggy's body type ages well though. Probably be a bargain.
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 27, 2014 19:04:44 GMT -5
Jon Heyman ?@jonheymancbs 3m cabrera commitment could reach $352M. there are 2 vesting options, in yrs 11 and 12, at $30M each. #tigers
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Post by jdb on Mar 27, 2014 20:16:23 GMT -5
Wonder what Trout thinks of this.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 27, 2014 20:16:50 GMT -5
Rich Dubroff ?@richdubroffcsn 23m Alfredo Aceves will not make the #Orioles. An industry source says he will opt-out of his contract tomorrow. Buster Olney ?@buster_ESPN 1h Miguel Cabrera is highly respected/appreciated, but officials with other teams are appalled by Detroit decision to give him that many years. Buster Olney ?@buster_ESPN 1h Haven't heard as much disgust over a contract from rival execs since the Jayson Werth contract. Industry is in shock over the Cabrera deal. This one sums it: www.freep.com/article/20140328/SPORTS02/303280045
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 28, 2014 8:04:31 GMT -5
Rich Dubroff ?@richdubroffcsn 23m Alfredo Aceves will not make the #Orioles. An industry source says he will opt-out of his contract tomorrow. Buster Olney ?@buster_ESPN 1h Miguel Cabrera is highly respected/appreciated, but officials with other teams are appalled by Detroit decision to give him that many years. Buster Olney ?@buster_ESPN 1h Haven't heard as much disgust over a contract from rival execs since the Jayson Werth contract. Industry is in shock over the Cabrera deal. This one sums it: www.freep.com/article/20140328/SPORTS02/303280045I know, it's totally disgusting that a rich team would give the best hitter alive the biggest contract in baseball. If only the Tigers weren't running their team so well, then the Twins could be competitive! A contract is only bad when it prevents you from making your team better. That can be because one player is taking up too much of your team's salary and you can't upgrade (Mike Hampton, for example), or, more commonly, when you've sunk so much money into a player that you can't trade him or bench him and improve (Vernon Wells, Barry Zito, Mark Teixeira. As Brian MacPherson noted on Twitter, in 8 years Cabrera's contract will be the equivalent of about $18-$21 million in todays dollars - and that's if contracts grow at the same rate as the last 15 years. If the 2017 luxury tax goes up like I think it will, then it won't be linear at all. Even if Cabrera stops being able to play the field, he's a long, long way from not being a top-half DH. He's unlikely be worth the money in 2021 on a strict $$/WAR calculation, but there's a good chance he'll still be an above average producer with the benefit that the Tigers get to have the 2016 version of Cabrera when they're a World Series contender.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Mar 28, 2014 8:10:24 GMT -5
Miggy's body type ages well though. Probably be a bargain. It's signing him two years out that's really crazy. Cabrera might decline in those two years, and more importantly, the Tigers might not be very good in two years with or without Cabrera. Both of those things would inform the decision to sign Cabrera or not, but the Tigers punted that data. The only way that's justifiable is if you get some kind of discount from the player by signing him sooner, and while I'm sure that Dave Cameron is working on some sort of contrarian "well, after Trout gets a half-billion, Miggy would have cost infinity-plus-one dollars to sign" post as we speak, there's no way this is any kind of discount. So if you're going to pay full market rate and then some, why not just wait a couple years and see where the player is at and the team is at?
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Post by okin15 on Mar 28, 2014 10:32:30 GMT -5
The market going up is a self-fulfilling prophecy no? It's this kind of contract that raises the bar. Cabrera doesn't compare to trout, as one is young and the other will not be when is original contract is up.
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Post by ray88h66 on Mar 28, 2014 16:17:06 GMT -5
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Post by michaelgelbwasser on Mar 28, 2014 16:50:10 GMT -5
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