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Post by mgoetze on Apr 14, 2014 12:21:16 GMT -5
Seems to me that the guy whose market value may have diminished in all this is Scott Boras. Boras has had a strange last year. On the heels of losing Robinson Cano to Jay Z, Boras obviously did very well on the Ellsbury contract. But, he also managed to cost Choo $10 million (and possibly his preferred destination): Even if Choo did have a $140m offer from the Yanks, Boras didn't necessarily cost him that much or anything at all, due to state income tax in NY. Which, in the end, might be pretty good for Boras, because if other agents can't enforce such clauses, then it will be easier for Boras to poach their clients. |
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Post by oilcansman on Apr 14, 2014 12:38:05 GMT -5
Its' interesting how many people are viewing the Drew and Morales free agency as a repudiation of Boras. Every prolific agent has clients that fire him or contract negotiations that disappoint. Show me a lawyer who has never lost a sizable case and I'll show you a lawyer that doesn't try many. It's inevitable. Boras' job is to give his clients a realistic view on the market, FOLLOW the instructions of the client, negotiate zealously on his behalf and handling all paperwork. How do we know that Drew and Morales simply have not followed Boras' advice?
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Post by sarasoxer on Apr 14, 2014 12:50:53 GMT -5
Its' interesting how many people are viewing the Drew and Morales free agency as a repudiation of Boras. Every prolific agent has clients that fire him or contract negotiations that disappoint. Show me a lawyer who has never lost a sizable case and I'll show you a lawyer that doesn't try many. It's inevitable. Boras' job is to give his clients a realistic view on the market, FOLLOW the instructions of the client, negotiate zealously on his behalf and handling all paperwork. How do we know that Drew and Morales simply have not followed Boras' advice?
Wasn't it reported to some Red Sox teammates that Drew wished he had taken the 14.1 QO? |
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 14, 2014 14:04:28 GMT -5
I hate that Scott Boras is even a part of baseball discussion. It's impossible to just enjoy the sport, we have to be concerned with all this greedy lawyer bull s... Same goes for the owners too.
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Post by amfox1 on Apr 14, 2014 14:07:58 GMT -5
Its' interesting how many people are viewing the Drew and Morales free agency as a repudiation of Boras. Every prolific agent has clients that fire him or contract negotiations that disappoint. Show me a lawyer who has never lost a sizable case and I'll show you a lawyer that doesn't try many. It's inevitable. Boras' job is to give his clients a realistic view on the market, FOLLOW the instructions of the client, negotiate zealously on his behalf and handling all paperwork. How do we know that Drew and Morales simply have not followed Boras' advice? We don't. But we do know that both Drew and Morales have followed the Boras script. However, the baseball landscape has shifted and, unlike most times, Boras appears to be behind the curve, not ahead of it. The failure, if you will, is in presenting a realistic view of the market for lower tier players being offered a QO. |
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Post by amfox1 on Apr 14, 2014 14:11:35 GMT -5
I hate that Scott Boras is even a part of baseball discussion. It's impossible to just enjoy the sport, we have to be concerned with all this greedy lawyer bull s... Same goes for the owners too. Not sure why this takes away from your enjoyment of the sport. We root for the laundry; Drew was a free agent and left the team. The rest is just noise. Don't listen to it and it won't affect your enjoyment of the game. I didn't care about Drew before last year and I don't care about him now. If we get an extra draft pick, terrific; if not, it's less than optimal but not a big deal. |
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 14, 2014 14:17:02 GMT -5
I hate that Scott Boras is even a part of baseball discussion. It's impossible to just enjoy the sport, we have to be concerned with all this greedy lawyer bull s... Same goes for the owners too. Not sure why this takes away from your enjoyment of the sport. We root for the laundry; Drew was a free agent and left the team. The rest is just noise. Don't listen to it and it won't affect your enjoyment of the game. I didn't care about Drew before last year and I don't care about him now. If we get an extra draft pick, terrific; if not, it's less than optimal but not a big deal. It annoys the crap out of me. And all I think about is how poor people can't go to games anymore. |
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Post by pedroelgrande on Apr 14, 2014 14:26:50 GMT -5
They have a family to feed... Why don't you think of the children? Do you hate children?
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Post by costpet on Apr 14, 2014 15:26:45 GMT -5
Didn't Boras tell Tek to reject a $10 million arbitration offer from the Sox and ended up signing for $5 million? Nice job Scott.
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Post by Steve Henley on Apr 14, 2014 16:06:58 GMT -5
It annoys the crap out of me. And all I think about is how poor people can't go to games anymore. Supply and demand. Scott Boras isn't the reason ticket prices are high. Tickets for popular teams like the Red Sox will never be cheap unless the demand drops significantly. Even if owners offered extremely low ticket prices they would be resold on the secondary market for many times their face value. I don't have a problem with ticket prices being what they are - the owners aren't taking money from the pockets of most fans. They're generally taking it from professional scalpers, Ace Ticket, Stub Hub and the like. |
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 14, 2014 16:47:02 GMT -5
It annoys the crap out of me. And all I think about is how poor people can't go to games anymore. Supply and demand. Scott Boras isn't the reason ticket prices are high. Tickets for popular teams like the Red Sox will never be cheap unless the demand drops significantly. Even if owners offered extremely low ticket prices they would be resold on the secondary market for many times their face value. I don't have a problem with ticket prices being what they are - the owners aren't taking money from the pockets of most fans. They're generally taking it from professional scalpers, Ace Ticket, Stub Hub and the like. It's not just Scott Boras. It's the Scott Boras'es at every level of the economy on all sides. In the cable companies and in government and in all of the businesses who don't think twice about paying $10k for tickets because it's not their money they are spending. Oh, and have taxpayers pay for the stadiums too and give the teams tax breaks, the naming rights and parking money. It's not enough that the teams are exempt from anti-trust laws and cable companies seem to be as well - which is why the teams are getting those insane cable deals. The monopolies must thrive so that fans must suffer. |
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Post by Steve Henley on Apr 14, 2014 17:49:15 GMT -5
It's not just Scott Boras. It's the Scott Boras'es at every level of the economy on all sides. In the cable companies and in government and in all of the businesses who don't think twice about paying $10k for tickets because it's not their money they are spending. Oh, and have taxpayers pay for the stadiums too and give the teams tax breaks, the naming rights and parking money. It's not enough that the teams are exempt from anti-trust laws and cable companies seem to be as well - which is why the teams are getting those insane cable deals. The monopolies must thrive so that fans must suffer. You're way off track here and mixing in points that aren't really related. If you're arguing that sports teams get too many tax breaks that's fine and you're not going to get much of an argument from most of the board. However, tickets are going to be expensive for popular teams regardless of public/private funding, player salaries, or cable contracts. Lower-income fans are going to have trouble affording those tickets, just as they have trouble affording other luxury items. |
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