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Post by honkbal on Nov 30, 2012 11:51:30 GMT -5
Half the point of having lots of budget room to work with is to avoid giving up talent (trades or comp picks) to acquire decent role players. Who cares if they overpay Napoli? They've got nothing else to do with the money the next two years anyway. I think that's worth repeating. It would be almost impossible for the Red Sox to spend too much on 2-3 year deals. Ellsbury (and a healthy Choo, I suppose) is the only free agent next year worth saving up for. I'm pretty sure the Red Sox could overpay Swisher and Napoli on three year deals and still have plenty left over for an Ellsbury extension and a Magical Acquisition of King Felix.
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Post by elguapo on Dec 3, 2012 11:18:53 GMT -5
Cafardo reports the Sox sign Napoli for 3 years at a premium $.
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Post by sibbysisti on Dec 3, 2012 11:26:50 GMT -5
Three years @ 13 per is a slight overpayment, but I'm glad Cherington got it done. I've coveted Napoli since his Angels days.
It also means the Sox do not have to surrender a draft pick as they would have if the other option, Adam LaRoche, was chosen.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 3, 2012 11:41:47 GMT -5
Three years @ 13 per is a slight overpayment, but I'm glad Cherington got it done. I've coveted Napoli since his Angels days. It also means the Sox do not have to surrender a draft pick as they would have if the other option, Adam LaRoche, was chosen. Even then it's only an overpayment if health comes into play and that limits his games. Nice combination of patience and power.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 28, 2012 10:57:36 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Dec 28, 2012 12:12:03 GMT -5
Heads up-- please refrain from posting links from content aggregators like MLBTR or Hardball Talk or Rotoworld that just summarize and link to reporting done by someone else. Just post the original news article instead. Thanks.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 28, 2012 14:40:29 GMT -5
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Post by sibbysisti on Dec 28, 2012 21:21:26 GMT -5
Thank you for posting the original article by Alex Speier. Alex seems to be the best informed about Sox prospects and inner circle thinking among the Boston media.
It's clearly posturing by BC and O'Halloran to get Napoli and his crew to agree to some built in safeguards for the club in the event of serious DL time due to the hip problem. I don't believe they are that interested in a three year contract for 33 yr. old LaRoche, coming off a career year. Especially considering the loss of possibly the 44th choice and 1.5m in bonus money for draft choices.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 28, 2012 22:12:18 GMT -5
Peter gammons tweeted a few hours ago
amidst the spins, Red Sox not interested in three years and surrendering all the ramifications of draft pick on and for LaRoche
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Post by steveofbradenton on Dec 29, 2012 7:39:16 GMT -5
I've mentioned Justin Morneau before, and still wonder if Napoli's deal falls through, we could go there.
Morneau is a free-agent after the upcoming season and maybe the Twins would be open to being rational in a deal. The Twins are going no where this season and could easily lose Morneau and get nothing in return. At the moment with his performance over the last couple of years, due mostly to the concussion, being way down, I can't see them offering him the $13.3 (or more) next winter.
Start a deal with a Britton or Workman?
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Post by Guidas on Dec 29, 2012 12:50:36 GMT -5
Peter gammons tweeted a few hours ago amidst the spins, Red Sox not interested in three years and surrendering all the ramifications of draft pick on and for LaRoche And now playing first in his triumphant return to Boston - Casey "He's in out long term plans" Kotchman!! (i.e. please try to work a deal for Morneu now).
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 29, 2012 14:58:15 GMT -5
#RedSox scouting Bobby Abreu for 1B in Venezuela, per @rafaeltejera.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Dec 29, 2012 15:46:06 GMT -5
Shouldn't there be some italics with the reference to the tweet about Abreau? That has to be a cruel joke as Abreau hasn't been a decent player for about five years.
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Post by remember04 on Dec 29, 2012 16:37:32 GMT -5
With the Mariners trading for Morales I wonder what it would take to get Smoak from them? I'd imagine not much as it seems they've given up on him. Put him in AAA and see what happens.
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Post by sibbysisti on Dec 29, 2012 20:03:44 GMT -5
At one year younger, Smoak's career stats look remarkably similar to Saltalamacchia's. Both are switch hitters. Smoak at .223/306/.377. Salty at .239/302/.418. Salty considerably better SLG pct.
If they could train him to play first base there would be no need to trade for Smoak.
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Post by remember04 on Dec 30, 2012 1:54:25 GMT -5
At one year younger, Smoak's career stats look remarkably similar to Saltalamacchia's. Both are switch hitters. Smoak at .223/306/.377. Salty at .239/302/.418. Salty considerably better SLG pct. If they could train him to play first base there would be no need to trade for Smoak. Late bloomer lottery ticket.
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Post by hammerhead on Dec 31, 2012 14:17:08 GMT -5
I just heard on a New York radio station (660WFAN) that if the Napoli deal does fall through the Red Sox are speaking with Travis Hafner's agent to see if he still has the "legs" to play 1B....
To me that sounds like a stretch at this point in his career. I wouldn't be against it on a real cheap make good type deal, but I don't see him as anything more than a DH now.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 31, 2012 15:19:54 GMT -5
So if the Napoli deal falls through the team will try out a bunch of has beens attempting to win the lottery?
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Post by buffs4444 on Dec 31, 2012 16:11:30 GMT -5
Nothing in the farm, nothing this year or next in free agency......this team really needs to take a shot on a young option at first like Smoak or LoMo. Preferably LoMo if Napoli comes aboard due to Logan's ability to also play LF.
At this point, walk away from Napoli, sign LoMo and move along. I like Napoli, but if his hip is that bad, he's most likely not playing C that much and his value sinks if you evaluate him as purely a 1B/DH. Probably not a $13M player at those spots.
EDIT: Maybe it's time to get a little more Jesus in Boston and try to pry Montero out of the logjam that Seattle has created for themselves. Potential is there for more, but he still looks like a young Konerko to me, and that's not that bad at all.
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Post by greekgodofpancakes on Dec 31, 2012 16:59:06 GMT -5
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Post by raftsox on Jan 2, 2013 9:02:38 GMT -5
So if the Napoli deal falls through the team will try out a bunch of has beens attempting to win the lottery? Freidman is a genius when he does it. Cherrington is a fool.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 2, 2013 9:29:36 GMT -5
So if the Napoli deal falls through the team will try out a bunch of has beens attempting to win the lottery? Freidman is a genius when he does it. Cherrington is a fool. No, Friedman is a genius because he can craft a 90 win team out of a tiny little payroll (and then make deals to sustain it such as Shields and Davis for Myers and Odorizzi and two more good prospects) while the Red Sox, with all the advantages of a huge payroll, have been on the downslide for the past five years and totally fell off the cliff last year. Fact of the matter is that when the 2007 season ended, it looked like the Sox had the potential for a dynasty or at worst, they'd be the class of the division in the upcoming years. Nobody, and that includes the Yankees, has done more to knock the Sox off their perch from 2008 on more than the Rays have. When Cherington can build a successful franchise for a few years with a tiny payroll then maybe he'd look more like a genius, too. As it is the Sox project to have a massive payroll with a bunch of players whose best years are behind them who'll be fortunate to win 85 games.
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Post by bluechip on Jan 2, 2013 10:55:41 GMT -5
So if the Napoli deal falls through the team will try out a bunch of has beens attempting to win the lottery? Freidman is a genius when he does it. Cherrington is a fool. Friedman is a genius because he has built an amazing pitching staff through the minors. Cherrington has not had a chance to rebuild this team through the minors.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 2, 2013 11:02:15 GMT -5
Freidman is a genius when he does it. Cherrington is a fool. Friedman is a genius because he has built an amazing pitching staff through the minors. Cherrington has not had a chance to rebuild this team through the minors. If Cherington can accomplish this, then he would have my admiration. Build the team thru the farm, especially the pitching staff, and supplement through using his financial advantage wisely and making smart deals.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jan 2, 2013 13:34:09 GMT -5
If Cherington can accomplish this, then he would have my admiration. Build the team thru the farm, especially the pitching staff, and supplement through using his financial advantage wisely and making smart deals. Analyzing what he has done this off-season thats basically what he's doing but I guess people can't be patient even for ONE off-season. They want a shinny new toy or something. As for 1st base I like the idea of Smoak or Montero from the M's. Thats how you actually build you team, by taking chances on guys that are under valued, if they in fact are under valued.
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