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Post by Jonathan Singer on May 9, 2014 7:29:00 GMT -5
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on May 9, 2014 7:33:09 GMT -5
Wow another great pitching slate...yawn, blah blah, ect, dot dot dot
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Post by soxfanatic on May 9, 2014 10:27:37 GMT -5
What's a realistic ETA on a Betts/Gragnani/Asuaje promotion?
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Post by godot on May 9, 2014 11:37:29 GMT -5
How seriously should we take Asuaje and Gragnai? I am not saying no, for I don't know. Their stats look good (walks, ks, contact), but they are a couple of years out of college ball and playing at this level, which of course does not necessarily mean they are are to be dismissed. However, over the years the age and experience factor allow some to perform well at this level but only to hit a wall when promoted. No way to tell unless they are promoted,though.
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Post by ramireja on May 9, 2014 11:56:39 GMT -5
How seriously should we take Asuaje and Gragnai? I am not saying no, for I don't know. Their stats look good (walks, ks, contact), but they are a couple of years out of college ball and playing at this level, which of course does not necessarily mean they are are to be dismissed. However, over the years the age and experience factor allow some to perform well at this level but only to hit a wall when promoted. No way to tell unless they are promoted,though. They were both in college at this time last year (2013 draft picks)
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Post by godot on May 9, 2014 13:21:19 GMT -5
Ramireja, you are cheery picketing. Doesn't help me understand. Looking forward to their promotions.
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Post by sdiaz1 on May 9, 2014 13:23:00 GMT -5
As you already hinted both players are old for their league (Asauje is 22 in Low A and Gragnai is 23 in High A), however as again I am sure that you are aware, both players profile best as second base/utility types. The system is stacked with players up the middle and the truth is that even despite how well the play a promotion may be difficult as Portland will not be moving either Betts or Marrerro soon because it is clear that Pawtucket's infield is more or less designed to primarily carry shuttle guys in case of emergency for the Sox (Roberts & Holt).
So while we should take note of their age when evaluating their performance against inferior competition, I would be wary of jumping to negative conclusions about these two based on the lack of promotions (and honestly, they only seem to be one level down the curve right now).
In regards to the specific players, I can't say that I have ever heard or read any piece of substance on Gragnai, but I do seem to remember that Asauje was the first guy that we took after the 10th round of last year, where teams can spend more freely. He was a modest over-slot sign, according to his bio here he signed for 100K. So he is definitely a guy to at least know.
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Post by amfox1 on May 9, 2014 13:33:23 GMT -5
How seriously should we take Asuaje and Gragnai? I am not saying no, for I don't know. Their stats look good (walks, ks, contact), but they are a couple of years out of college ball and playing at this level, which of course does not necessarily mean they are are to be dismissed. However, over the years the age and experience factor allow some to perform well at this level but only to hit a wall when promoted. No way to tell unless they are promoted,though. I would discount both until they prove the ability to hit in Double-A. Both profile as utility players, at best. It is crystal clear that neither are being challenged (offensively) at their current level. I would guess that both will be promoted over the summer, but the timing will largely be dependent on when the organization wants to promote Betts. My guess is that Betts will not be promoted before June 1st, in the absence of an injury.
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Post by Jonathan Singer on May 9, 2014 14:07:04 GMT -5
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Post by mgoetze on May 9, 2014 14:35:10 GMT -5
Nava in CF? Poor PawSox.
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Post by RedSoxStats on May 9, 2014 15:18:40 GMT -5
Forrestt Allday going to make his full season ball debut after being promoted.
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Post by okin15 on May 9, 2014 17:29:51 GMT -5
BJohnson picks up where he left off. Gets 3K (and 4H) in his first three ip. I'm really worried about Betts, he's 0/1 with a K. In all seriousness though, if he falls into a slump, the way he picks himself out of it may be as important as his hitting so far. Forrestt Allday going to make his full season ball debut after being promoted. Countermove?
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Post by RedSoxStats on May 9, 2014 17:49:57 GMT -5
Jesus Loya off the roster
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Post by sarasoxer on May 9, 2014 18:52:06 GMT -5
Wow another great pitching slate...yawn, blah blah, ect, dot dot dot and.........ditto...I'll second that! Trey Ball having a really tough time....
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 9, 2014 19:01:40 GMT -5
Missed most of the game but Mookie just made one hell of a nice play at second that saved two runs and a tie game the followed it with a nice inside out swing to shoot a ball to right field for a single (lefty on the mound).
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Post by stevedillard on May 9, 2014 19:11:53 GMT -5
Ball living up to his name. Came within a strike of having a >50% strike rate. And when he threw strikes they hit them; 8 hits in 3.2 ip
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Post by ibsmith85 on May 9, 2014 19:11:59 GMT -5
Johnson with another solid start 6IP 6H 2ER 1BB 8K 88 pitches (59 strikes)
PawSox in a delay Webster through 3 so far 5H 0R 0BB 3K All but one of the hits were ground balls, including an infield single to 3rd, which led to a taxing 1st, saved himself a run by picking off a runner at 2nd
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Post by steveofbradenton on May 9, 2014 19:17:13 GMT -5
Don't look now, but we may see another kid jumping out with Brian Johnson:
Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA Brian Johnson 6.0 6 2 2 1 8 0 1.59
He is certainly showing his promotion was well deserved. Making up for lost time!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 9, 2014 19:23:48 GMT -5
Shoot me but I think Mookie is plus-plus range.
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Post by jimoh on May 9, 2014 19:28:13 GMT -5
Shoot me but I think Mookie is plus-plus range. why?
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 9, 2014 19:30:34 GMT -5
I thought he was a solid plus range but the more I watched him the better he looked.
EDIT: A significant part of that is that his head is always in the game, just as it is with Pedroia. He anticipates extremely well. With that double play he made a week or 2 ago ( the highlight shown here ) the ball was just about out of his hand on the throw to first by the time one of his feet hit the ground from his leap. He snagged the ball with a decent jump and extracted the ball from his glove and got a throw off by the time he landed from his jump to make the catch. I don't think I have seen that sort of play much at all. Especially with a straight up leap.
Usually a guy lands and then throws. He would have been safe at first if Mookie had waited to land and then throw.
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Post by alnipper on May 9, 2014 19:32:50 GMT -5
Ball faced 23 batters and got 0 strikeouts.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 9, 2014 19:36:25 GMT -5
Shoot me but I think Mookie is plus-plus range. why? Every time I see a ball come off the bat, Mookie is a lot closer to it, or arrives a lot earlier than I think is going to happen. When he has to make a difficult stretched out play, he recovers to throwing position as fast as Pedroia's first base side recovery except that he does it both ways. By the way he positions himself a little closer to first than most but that might be in defference to Marerro. ADD: The camera angle that they use at Portland for the pitches makes it difficult to evaluate Mookie's first step because he's off the camera whereas, most opponent second basemen are in the camera. However, when Mookie does come into the camera on a play, he's at full speed. He must have an explosive first step.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 9, 2014 19:39:15 GMT -5
It may be that Barnes, Webster, De Larosa and Johnson all emerge this year. All are looking decent so far. And of course Owens.
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 9, 2014 19:39:15 GMT -5
Don't look now, but we may see another kid jumping out with Brian Johnson: Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA Brian Johnson 6.0 6 2 2 1 8 0 1.59 He is certainly showing his promotion was well deserved. Making up for lost time! He was the likeliest candidate to move quickly. He already has an advanced understanding of how to pitch, and decent stuff. I don't think he's a mid-rotation guy, but definitely has back end potential. He's been flying under the radar after having to recoup from the injury, but I think he's well regarded by the Sox. AAA will be important for him, to see how well he does against hitters with MLB experience.
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