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Post by ray88h66 on May 16, 2014 20:52:24 GMT -5
AJP haters should be happy. Farrell named Ross , Lester's personal catcher today. AJP is one of the few hitters that have good numbers against Max but he'd probably swing at the first pitch.Ross can't hit a plus fastball, his only hope is the Tiger's scouts haven't been watching and he gets a breaking ball. Edit, I'll take a rain delay. Wish I could say reverse but just glad to be wrong again.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 16, 2014 20:57:49 GMT -5
Middlebrooks' glove is a problem. FTFY.
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Post by Guidas on May 16, 2014 21:02:08 GMT -5
Damn that was a good AB by Sizemore. Hate the outcome but he hung in there.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 16, 2014 21:02:12 GMT -5
Also, Grady Sizemore is useless.
This is an odd notion, but it's possible that not acquiring any good players during the offseason was a mistake.
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Post by Guidas on May 16, 2014 21:23:13 GMT -5
Also, Grady Sizemore is useless. This is an odd notion, but it's possible that not acquiring any good players during the offseason was a mistake. That would've cost a lot of money and years. The Red Sox got ridiculously lucky with moderate money and short years last year, so the guys who live by stats and know an anomalous outcome when they see it decided, hey, let's try that again! I still contend that if they had kept one of Ells or Salty (qualifying offer) or gone all in on Tanaka and traded Doubront or Peavy they'd have five or more wins than they currently possess. Nothing at all to base this on other than Tanaka's current performance and Ells out performing all our OFs right now. I am not big on full money 6-7 year contracts - which are almost always guaranteed to lose money in years 5-7, but I do believe you should take a well-educated gamble on one of these every 4-5 years if you think you can acquire a player who will be top 5 at his position for 4 or more years. I would've on Tanaka because of his age and stuff, and I couldve been talked into Ells with him moving to LF once Bradley got 300 or so more ABs in AAA. The pipeline is still strong enough to roll in 1-2 MLB min guys every year or so to offset the big money. Fascinated to see what they do with Lester given their new stance on long term deals. He's going to get at least 6 years. Scherzer will get 7. Sox will get worse if they don't acquire one of them or trade for a top 15 starter.
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Post by Guidas on May 16, 2014 21:31:53 GMT -5
Man, right on Xander's wrist. Reed better watch out- Norbit will show up on his doorstep.
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on May 16, 2014 21:39:09 GMT -5
[/code][/quote]His skin has cleared up but it looks to me like mike Carp still has something about Mary...
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Post by Guidas on May 16, 2014 21:39:38 GMT -5
Wow - no one couldve seen that coming.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2014 21:41:16 GMT -5
Lol Farrell you are a specimen of stupidity.
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Post by wskeleton76 on May 16, 2014 21:42:00 GMT -5
Nice Job, JF. Whenever he makes a move something bad happens.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 16, 2014 21:45:36 GMT -5
Man, right on Xander's wrist. Reed better watch out- Norbit will show up on his doorstep. I traded Tulo for Xander and Puig in my keeper league literally hours ago. Norbit better hurry or he'll find nothing but smoldering wreckage at what was formerly the Reed residence.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 16, 2014 21:57:46 GMT -5
Man this team is so aggravating to watch. They shoot themselves in the foot every chance they get. I hate the bunt, but with Bradley hopeless at the plate I would have like to have seen them do that, but once he predictably struck out, AJP predictably killed the inning with a DP grounder one inning after the Sox squandered another 1st and 2nd no out opportunity.
It's almost like this team just finds ways to lose. They are as unclutch as last year's team was clutch.
I kind of wish the Sox had gone all out for Tanaka (I know, the Yanks still would have found a way to top the Sox) and Abreu (can't blame them for Abreu as the timing was bad). It's almost like the Sox don't want to risk anything after feeling burned by Daisuke's lackluster performance.
Meanwhile the Sox are stuck with Bradley's useless bat because he's the only guy on the roster who can play CF and now with Victorino hurting they don't have a guy who can play a good RF to back him up.
When you look at it, they've downgraded the catching position - I still think they should have re-signed Salty, the SS position overall for now is worse. 3b is still lousy. The LF platoon that was so successful last year has turned into the let's hope Grady can find him 2007 form prayer. CF is obviously a lot worse and Victorino's health is a question in RF. Meanwhile it's pretty obvious they won't be getting anywhere near as good a pitching performance out of Buchholz that they did last year and it looks like Peavy is about to have his ERA catch up to his FIP stats.
I hope they find a way to improve these things - not much they can do in most of these cases other than being patient. It's tough to watch, but as much as I hate to say it - it's probably the right thing to do.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2014 22:15:17 GMT -5
When you look at it, they've downgraded the catching position - I still think they should have re-signed Salty... During April I would likely have agreed with you. However, he fell back down to earth and is batting .154 this May with an OPS of .471. A.J. has a comparable bat and glove without the three year commitment. Just suck it up until Swihart arrives sometime late next year/early 2016.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 16, 2014 23:01:53 GMT -5
When you look at it, they've downgraded the catching position - I still think they should have re-signed Salty... During April I would likely have agreed with you. However, he fell back down to earth and is batting .154 this May with an OPS of .471. A.J. has a comparable bat and glove without the three year commitment. Just suck it up until Swihart arrives sometime late next year/early 2016. I'm not looking at Salty as a superstar, but rather as a guy who would put up better, longer, more grinding ABs than AJP. Considering what he signed for I don't think the Sox would have had a problem dealing his contract to another team when Vazquez and/or Swihart were ready. It's not like the difference between Salty and AJP is why this team is playing a lot worse than last year's team but when the whole season plays out I expect Salty will be better than AJP. You're talking about a 28 year old in his prime versus a guy who has seen his best days. They might post similar BAs, but I expect Salty to hit with more power and to have a better OBP. I'd take Salty over AJP even with a 3 year deal. At $7 million/year that's not a huge contract to unload.
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Post by station13 on May 16, 2014 23:20:43 GMT -5
This team's going places.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2014 23:27:47 GMT -5
redsox040713champs, I'm not in disagreement with you. I'm of the opinion that the Red Sox and Salty wanted to make it work and certainly could have made it work - but only for two years. Once the Fish tacked on a third year, the Sox were out of the running - since they clearly have an expectation that Swihart will be ready by 2016. As such, in order to match the dollars guaranteed by Miami, the Sox would have had to go to $10.5 million / year for two years. Would anyone - other than Salty of course - really have been happy with such an arrangement?
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Post by Guidas on May 17, 2014 7:25:29 GMT -5
I think if Sox made Salty a QO no one would've touched him.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 17, 2014 7:32:32 GMT -5
I think if Sox made Salty a QO no one would've touched him. I see Salty has k'd 43 times in 144 plate appearances. He's hit 6 bombs and has a grand total of 12 rbi's. Our current bum has 20 RBI in 121 plate appearances. Anyone who says driving in runs is not a skill is being intellectually dishonest. Or you don't watch a lot of baseball. Just punch some numbers in a computer and determine why a team is winning/losing. You have to watch the games. There have been many, many, many instances already where our kids couldn't drive in a run. Oh, it's just an out. But, it's bigger than that if there's a man on 3rd and less than 2 outs or 1st and 2nd and nobody out. This team is losing because our kids are developing slowly. Sucks. But, it is what it is. Not saying we shouldn't play em. But, it's fairly obvious at this point. Also, didn't want to touch Jacoby's contract. And, the Yanks were going to outbid us on Tanaka. So just give up that argument. Beltran is on the DL already and looks more like Johnny Gomes than Manny Ramirez.
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Post by brianthetaoist on May 17, 2014 9:13:37 GMT -5
Three straight losses all by one run ... brutal.
edit: Sox now 5-10 in one-run games. The Orioles, otoh, are 10-3.
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Post by jmei on May 17, 2014 9:29:14 GMT -5
It could be worse-- neither Bogaerts nor Victorino needs a DL stint.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 17, 2014 9:44:16 GMT -5
Three straight losses all by one run ... brutal. edit: Sox now 5-10 in one-run games. The Orioles, otoh, are 10-3. That's actually fairly encouraging given the overall state of the AL east. Honestly, this is the team I expected to get last year. It's fortunate that they waited for the division to get crappy to show up.
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Post by jdb on May 17, 2014 10:02:51 GMT -5
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Post by mgoetze on May 17, 2014 10:29:25 GMT -5
Red Sox might have won that game if the pitcher pacing rules had been enforced against Reed. Unfortunately those rules are never enforced.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 17, 2014 10:39:31 GMT -5
Unfortunately there's not all that much room for improvement in the bullpen. I'd much rather see the Red Sox continue to develop those guys as starters since starters are what they're more likely to need following the inevitable Buchholz/Peavey injury(s). As far as the young guys go... Xander I'm not worried about at all. Middlebrooks... well, I think we all know how I feel about him (for anyone who's new here, here's how I feel: PLEASE JUST RE-SIGN DREW ALREADY OH MY GOD YOU'RE KILLING ME). Bradley is the guy I'm not sure about. But we're going to find out about him since the Red Sox neglected to have any other MLB ready CFs in the organization.
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Post by jmei on May 17, 2014 11:01:31 GMT -5
The current predicament is the downside of the "let the young guys play" attitude that was pretty rampant on these boards over the offseason. It's easy to be optimistic about guys when they're tearing up the minors and helping the team win a World Series, but there's considerable downside risk to trusting three young players to lock down starting positions for a championship-contending team, and you're seeing it now.
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