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Post by Guidas on May 18, 2014 14:33:26 GMT -5
Would anyone really be that upset by a mid-table finish? There is a rush of young potentially impact talent collecting in Portland, Pawtucket, and Boston. There will be growing pains with this group but it's integral to finding the next Red Sox core. On top of that comes a bigger bonus pool and better available players in next years draft to replenish the system, which will likely begin to drain in the coming months. And can anyone really complain about that? The year after they took us on one hell of a ride, culminating in a world series win? How entitled could someone be? If watching them struggle at .500 in mid-May and a staggering 2.5 games out of first boils someones blood that much, maybe they just shouldn't watch. I would rather see a mid-table finish then gut the farm for a quick fix. I agree with you. I agree with this in theory but I also believe that very few of the players in AA or above will be average MLB players or better. The hardest part about this - and why GMs get paid - is deciding which guys will be MLB average or better, which you believe are overhyped/over evaluated right now (esp by other GMs), and what you can get for what you have and how that benefits your team now and over the next,s ay, 5 years (from all I've read the Sox FO tends to work with rolling 5 year plans). So for example: IF you believe you can get Stanton AND extend him for, say, 4 farm players, of which you are fairly certain at least 2 will be MLB average starting position players or at least #4-5 starters, how does that fit with your 5 year plan and organizational needs? I'd trade any four guys on the farm not named Mookie right now for Stanton as long as MIA is not taking both Swihart and Vazquez (and, yeah, I'd rather give Vazquez). If I had to trade Mookie to get it done, again I'd do it but the package will have more "One from these three pitchers, no Swihart or Vazquez, and two from the rest of these guys…" type deal. So sure - trade prospects from the top 10 right now but only if you can get significant return in positions of current or pending need. Shorter: not all these guys we love will be major leaguers or even average major leaguers. Sell high.
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Post by mgoetze on May 18, 2014 14:58:01 GMT -5
I'd trade any four guys on the farm not named Mookie right now for Stanton as long as MIA is not taking both Swihart and Vazquez How about if they throw in Salty as a sweetener? Oh wait, this isn't the trade proposal forum?
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on May 18, 2014 15:02:39 GMT -5
Supposedly Miami wanted Cechinni earlier. He would be a near ideal candidate for such a trade to me. Assuming Mookie and/or Middlebrooks can handle 3rd, or Xander with a SS move. Miami probably would slot him in the OF and he would be hitting like an all star within months. They thrive on such deals. I don't even want Stanton but if they do a deal I just hope it is for appropriate value. the problem to me is that it's maybe a boatload of premium talent. It's not worth it to me.
I think we probably end up developing most of our position players and spend the major bucks or trade for top pitching. In another year, I would have even gone to $175 mil for Tanaka. That top level pitcher being available in the playoffs is a game changer. I think we have pieces on the farm to basically fill out the rest of the team, or supplement it with non compensation pick type signs ( guys not attached to QO offers ).
That is where I hope the team goes in the future. Spend for that top level talent when it becomes available. Do the value picks like Victorino and Napoli when necessary but not be afraid to pull the trigger on that game changing stud also, on a selected basis. Manny was such a player. Pedro was such a player. Lackey was even to a degree such a guy. No doubt Darvish was such a guy. Abreu.
It's always a value proposition but the top guys usually get big money for a reason.
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Post by Guidas on May 18, 2014 16:12:55 GMT -5
AJ Pierzynski batting 6th once again to ensure all your dreams of a rally will be crushed.
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Post by jmei on May 18, 2014 16:22:16 GMT -5
AJ Pierzynski batting 6th once again to ensure all your dreams of a rally will be crushed. They should probably hit Xander ahead of him, but in a lineup with Holt and Bradley in it, Pierzynski should hit no lower than 7th. Speaking of which, it would sure be nice if that new hairdo jump-started Bradley.
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Post by Guidas on May 18, 2014 18:24:42 GMT -5
The fro is boss.
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Post by semperfisox on May 18, 2014 18:41:31 GMT -5
I'd much rather have Miami interested in Swihart over Vasquez.
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Post by templeusox on May 18, 2014 19:15:34 GMT -5
Jake Peavy has simply had nothing all season long. It's finally catching up to him.
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Post by semperfisox on May 18, 2014 19:17:58 GMT -5
that breaking ball is atrocious.
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Post by jdb on May 18, 2014 19:40:41 GMT -5
What a brutal stat on our 5-9 hitters. 14th in the AL in ops. We need to lengthen this lineup.
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Post by Guidas on May 18, 2014 19:43:24 GMT -5
Also worst in the AL vs. RHP. No Salty or Nava (when we was destroying RHP) really hurting us.
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Post by Guidas on May 18, 2014 19:47:51 GMT -5
I HATE the gentleman's strike on 3-0. And that was no strike to JBJ.
love that he gets it back on 3-2. Fro power, daddy.
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Post by marrcus on May 18, 2014 19:52:37 GMT -5
I think this is what they call a skinny one run lead...go (5) Jake.
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Post by ray88h66 on May 18, 2014 19:53:27 GMT -5
I HATE the gentleman's strike on 3-0. And that was no strike to JBJ. love that he gets it back on 3-2. Fro power, daddy. If he starts hitting the fro can be this year's beard. Have to give a few guys like Dustin and Lester waivers on fro power though.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 18, 2014 19:55:09 GMT -5
I HATE the gentleman's strike on 3-0. It is the dumbest thing.
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Post by templeusox on May 18, 2014 20:02:06 GMT -5
Jake Peavy is a very, very bad pitcher. That's an inexcusable pitch.
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Post by semperfisox on May 18, 2014 20:02:08 GMT -5
right down the middle. Peavy you suck.
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Post by Guidas on May 18, 2014 20:02:57 GMT -5
Jake Peavy just stinks. Doesn't give you anything this year or last year you couldn't get from Workman.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 18, 2014 20:04:37 GMT -5
Might be time for peavy to go down with a phantom injury.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 18, 2014 20:11:45 GMT -5
Three crappy starters. Nothing at 3b, lf and cf. There really is no reason for this team to try a short-term fix or trade valuable assets to try to get into it this year.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on May 18, 2014 20:16:22 GMT -5
Three crappy starters. Nothing at 3b, lf and cf. There really is no reason for this team to try a short-term fix or trade valuable assets to try to get into it this year. I actually wouldn't be opposed to being sellers at the trade deadline if Ben could get a nice deal.
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Post by chavopepe2 on May 18, 2014 20:21:29 GMT -5
Three crappy starters. Nothing at 3b, lf and cf. There really is no reason for this team to try a short-term fix or trade valuable assets to try to get into it this year. I actually wouldn't be opposed to being sellers at the trade deadline if Ben could get a nice deal. You guys are seriously underrating how many holes the other AL East teams have. The Yankees finished the game today with Brendan Ryan at first base! The Rays are struggling even more than the Sox. The Orioles? The Blue Jays? This team is good enough to compete with that group even with the struggles they've had. They'll be in it until the end. And as we've seen three times in the last ten years - at that point anything can happen...
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Post by gregblossersbelly on May 18, 2014 20:29:38 GMT -5
We always bring up the Crawford signing when discussing Theo. Hard to believe he could have had Beltre 5/80 and VMart 4/40 for less than Carl. Ugh. Wouldn't have had to give up assets for AGon and another huge extension. Anyone have the keys to the DeLorean(Time Machine)? Need to talk to Doc Brown.
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on May 18, 2014 20:30:36 GMT -5
Is it just me or has Xander been rxtremely unlucky with the way he is pitched and fielded? I expect. A real hot streak
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Post by Guidas on May 18, 2014 20:33:17 GMT -5
I actually wouldn't be opposed to being sellers at the trade deadline if Ben could get a nice deal. You guys are seriously underrating how many holes the other AL East teams have. The Yankees finished the game today with Brendan Ryan at first base! The Rays are struggling even more than the Sox. The Orioles? The Blue Jays? This team is good enough to compete with that group even with the struggles they've had. They'll be in it until the end. And as we've seen three times in the last ten years - at that point anything can happen... Seconded. Win now. Get better. Win more.
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