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Post by grandsalami on May 18, 2014 17:32:01 GMT -5
Did not see one, so hopefully its ok with the mods if I start one
Rob Bradford ?@bradfo 40s Per source Red Sox are exploring multiple options (trades/other) regarding left side of infield
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Post by amfox1 on May 18, 2014 17:40:50 GMT -5
So long as they are actual rumors, it is fine. Made-up or speculative proposals without basis belong in the trade proposal thread.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 18, 2014 22:22:11 GMT -5
From Red Sox Stats on twitter (note, pretty dubious source): Red Sox Stats ?@redsoxstats 17m I pass along few first hand rumors, but here is one from the Carolinas tonight. Grain of salt, etc. pic.twitter.com/vry9sBxMbx
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Post by James Dunne on May 19, 2014 0:00:30 GMT -5
That Redsoxstats account frequently posts speculation as news. I don't even think his stuff reaches the threshold of being a rumor.
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Post by jimed14 on May 19, 2014 6:58:24 GMT -5
That Redsoxstats account frequently posts speculation as news. I don't even think his stuff reaches the threshold of being a rumor. Regarding trade rumors, isn't that what just about what every single person in the media does? Most "news" today reports on tweets with anonymous sources. It's out of hand.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2014 10:32:52 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on May 19, 2014 10:43:45 GMT -5
Just remember that every article is based on the same anonymous source. Just because more and more articles are printed on the same subject, doesn't mean there is anything at all snow-balling.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2014 11:06:55 GMT -5
Sandoval seems to be unhappy in San Francisco. He's playing like crap and is a free agent at the end of the season. With Morse, the Giants don't even need his bat as much this season. There could be some truth to a rumor of the Giants being willing to swap him for Middlebrooks and pitching (say Tazawa).
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Post by jimed14 on May 19, 2014 11:19:18 GMT -5
As bad as people think WMB is this year, Sandoval is worse. I'm not making a trade for a pending UFA without knowing with almost certainty that it's a significant upgrade.
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Post by amfox1 on May 19, 2014 11:32:49 GMT -5
Sandoval seems to be unhappy in San Francisco. He's playing like crap and is a free agent at the end of the season. With Morse, the Giants don't even need his bat as much this season. There could be some truth to a rumor of the Giants being willing to swap him for Middlebrooks and pitching (say Tazawa). This belongs in a trade proposal thread. If folks cannot keep this to actual trade rumors, this thread will be locked until there is actual news.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 21, 2014 13:17:49 GMT -5
Heyman on Samardzija. The Sox are named as potential suitors. www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24568874/cubs-need-to-trade-samardzija-and-here-are-10-teams-that-may-playWithout suggesting specific players my opinion on the situation. I'd love for the Sox to pursue trading for Samardzija. I also think it's going to take significantly more than the players Heyman thinks the MFY would get him for. The Cubs have a very strong MiLB system but it's position player heavy and I think they will be looking for a package of near ready starting pitchers. For the Sox it would be one way of reducing the cluster of starters in AAA while significantly upgrading the Boston staff. I'd want the Sox to come to a long term deal before pulling any triggers. Of the three top pitchers said to be on the market, Samardzija, Sale & Price, this is the guy that interests me the most.
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Post by jimed14 on May 21, 2014 14:19:01 GMT -5
Why is Samardzija more than a #3 pitcher? I don't really get it.
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Post by jmei on May 21, 2014 14:59:07 GMT -5
Why is Samardzija more than a #3 pitcher? I don't really get it. Because he's had three straight years of a sub-3.5 xFIP?
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Post by jimed14 on May 21, 2014 15:18:10 GMT -5
Why is Samardzija more than a #3 pitcher? I don't really get it. Because he's had three straight years of a sub-3.5 xFIP? And when you adjust for park and league, he's a slightly better than average pitcher. That's nice and all, but I'm not giving up the farm for him.
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Post by raftsox on May 21, 2014 15:28:54 GMT -5
Why is Samardzija more than a #3 pitcher? I don't really get it. Because he's had three straight years of a sub-3.5 xFIP? I normally hate xFIP, but Wrigley does inflate HRs. And, Smardzija has been turrible at giving up dingers. He would be one of those guys I'd expect to see improvement in runs allowed at a new home park that reduces HRs.
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Post by ethanbein on May 21, 2014 21:57:02 GMT -5
Jon Lester xFIP- 2012/2013/2014: 92/98/71 Jeff Samardzija xFIP- 2012/2013/2014: 87/92/92
So Lester's "best pitcher in baseball with a working UCL" 2014 notwithstanding, Samardzija has been just about as good. He's had some homer problems in the past, but he's put those behind him. Most people saw Lester as a solid #2 before this season (if not better), which is right about where I would put Samardzija.
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Post by jimed14 on May 22, 2014 9:36:38 GMT -5
Jon Lester xFIP- 2012/2013/2014: 92/98/71 Jeff Samardzija xFIP- 2012/2013/2014: 87/92/92 So Lester's "best pitcher in baseball with a working UCL" 2014 notwithstanding, Samardzija has been just about as good. He's had some homer problems in the past, but he's put those behind him. Most people saw Lester as a solid #2 before this season (if not better), which is right about where I would put Samardzija. Lester has been pretty overrated for a few years. That's why many people think he's not a $20 million pitcher. It hasn't been until the 2nd half of last year, the playoffs and the beginning of this season for people to come around. This is also likely why the Red Sox don't want to extend him until they see whether he's an average pitcher or the pitcher we've seen since the middle of last season. It gives them a little more certainty. There was a point last year where people were talking about whether we pick up his option this year.
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Post by amfox1 on May 22, 2014 12:50:51 GMT -5
Let's use this thread for news only.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 22, 2014 21:05:28 GMT -5
Ollie Connolly @ollieukez · 2h @jimbelavich not semantics. Any deal of this size takes time. The two sides are close the deal is not imminent This is in reference to Sox and Samardzija. Generalizing...His recent tweets about it are usually referencing Pittsburgh sources. He also tweeted that the Sox are the team in the best (the only) position to pull it off. ADD credit to grandsalami for pointing it out in the game thread. ADD2: I would not at all be shocked to see a three teamer here. Pittsburgh also has a lot of top pitching prospects which I'm guessing is what the Cubs would be looking for. . . . ADD3: Buster Olney ?@buster_ESPN 36m Also on the podcast: bit.ly/1kwuRiv Why the Jays are dangerous; a perfect landing spot for Samardzija; @charliesheen preps for BBTN.
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Post by soxfanatic on May 23, 2014 10:57:09 GMT -5
Ollie Connolly?@ollieukez Source in Pittsburgh confirmed that Jeff Samardzjias spring training price was 1 (A) prospect, established starter and young pitching prosp
Ollie Connolly?@ollieukez His value has only increased since then. The only team with the means to go and get him before FA is Boston a deal will be done soon
So is this legit?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 23, 2014 11:08:40 GMT -5
Ollie Connolly?@ollieukez Source in Pittsburgh confirmed that Jeff Samardzjias spring training price was 1 (A) prospect, established starter and young pitching prosp Ollie Connolly?@ollieukez His value has only increased since then. The only team with the means to go and get him before FA is Boston a deal will be done soon So is this legit? You never know with these things and if a trade doesn't happen we'll never know. I had never heard of this guy but looking at his banner page, he looks a lot more credible than say a radio talking head. He also doesn't mince words.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2014 11:39:31 GMT -5
The guy who started the Twitter rumor that we're getting Samardzija is backpedaling now: First he said "His (Samardzija's) value has only increased since then (the start of the season). The only team with the means to go and get him before FA is Boston a deal will be done soon." Now, he's saying "I haven't said a Sox/Samardzjia deal is imminent." He also was making it sound like it would take MORE than Betts and Owens to get a deal done with the Cubs. This entire rumor lacks credibility.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 23, 2014 12:07:15 GMT -5
The guy who started the Twitter rumor that we're getting Samardzija is backpedaling now: First he said "His (Samardzija's) value has only increased since then (the start of the season). The only team with the means to go and get him before FA is Boston a deal will be done soon." Now, he's saying "I haven't said a Sox/Samardzjia deal is imminent." He also was making it sound like it would take MORE than Betts and Owens to get a deal done with the Cubs. This entire rumor lacks credibility. If you read the tweets and replies, the imminent statement wasn't a backtrack. He was commenting on somebody quoting him as saying it was imminent. He basically said if people are going to quote him, they should get it right. That's when he tweeted what I showed in my post above. He never tweeted that it was imminent. I don't know where you get that it would take more than Owens and Betts, he hasn't mentioned either or anything specific. He only said Samardzjia's value has gone up since the spring. If you read the whole sequence and replies, he hasn't backtracked at all.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 23, 2014 12:44:22 GMT -5
If you read what he literally typed out, he did say - with poor grammar - that a Boston deal was going to be done soon. But if you think about it, he apparently forgot a period. He was saying he thought Boston was the only team that could meet the asking price. Full stop. And that a deal would be done soon.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 23, 2014 14:00:22 GMT -5
Agreed but he then only objected to the word imminent. Essentially stating that these things take time, not backpedling it as django interpreted it. I don't think he's backpedaled at all, that's all I disagreed with. If a deal does get done, I'm guessing that the original asking price will be significantly higher than the final price but will still be steep. Any good trade is likely to make both sides feel like they gave up a lot. I'm pretty sure though that the Sox aren't going to drain the system when this off-season has so many quality arms available. They are likely to deal from strength. The two sides will also need to work out 25 and 40 man issues and salary cap issues. I really don't see any other team with financial clout that can also meet the price without significantly draining their system. Toronto probably comes the closest. All of the other teams with top farm systems either lack pitching depth, have financial limits or are in similar situations to the Cubs.
It's almost an only seller only buyer situation. Both Price and Sale have had issues this season but Samardzija has rolled along.
ADD: The Sox pretty much can't do this without including one of their current five starters or at minimum a reliever so they can put Doubront in the pen because they don't have options.
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