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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 2, 2014 23:40:41 GMT -5
The season has started and I expect there will be more attention on the DSL than usual, at least while Devers is there.
Here are a couple of other guys that I will be following for various reason.
Alexander and Alejandro Basabe - They were extremely young last year, I went through the rosters and there was only one guy I could find younger than them in pro-ball last year. So repeating the level is not the end of the world. Upon signing Alexander was thought to be the the better of the bothers so I'll be focusing on him.
Roldani Baldwin - He seemed to be famous in his native Puerto Plata as a youth player, specially for his power. So I'm interested to read how he does.
Samuel Miranda - Badler mentioned him as a low bonus guy to watch for, like he did with Victor Acosta last year which turned out pretty good. Miranda as the Basabes were last year is one of the youngest players in pro-ball this year.
This is aside from guys we know about in Devers, Emmanuel De Jesus, Jhonathan Diaz and Yohan Aybar.
Also it appears Devers is from Samana, the same place Hanley Ramirez is from along with other big leaguers.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 3, 2014 7:58:24 GMT -5
Thanks for the details on these guys. So is there a circuit of towns in The Dominican where scouts make their way? Or is it word of mouth that leads teams to prospects? Perhaps tournaments?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 3, 2014 8:40:27 GMT -5
It has changed over the last five years I'd say. With the proliferation of organized trainers Leagues like the IPL, DPL among others now generally the good prospects can be more readily seen by scouts. Years ago the kids from the country side and poorer areas were at a disadvantage, this is one of the reasons guys like Hanley, Reyes, Tejada, Vlad signed for low bonuses. It still happens, Oscar Taveras was lightly scouted for that reason, but it happens less. Now the trainers are alerted to the kids making noise in that area so they join the bigger organized leagues before signing.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 3, 2014 11:22:41 GMT -5
Great stuff. Thanks for helping me fill in the blanks.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jun 3, 2014 11:59:37 GMT -5
Yeah, very interesting stuff how the scouting in the DR has evolved over the past 5 years.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 3, 2014 12:04:06 GMT -5
Great stuff. Thanks for helping me fill in the blanks. If you haven't seen the movie "Ballplayer: Pelotero", it's quite informative.
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Post by tonyc on Jun 4, 2014 9:22:38 GMT -5
Is it about Dominican players phils? The movie "Sugar" is about those players difficult transition to the States, living with a host family in small towns in Iowa i.e, often not knowing our language and culture. It is so realistic that in the special features at the end Pedro and Ortiz and Sosa appear and affirm that it is exactly how it was. Either Roger Ebert or Siskel called it the best baseball movie in 20 years and I quite agree.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 4, 2014 11:00:19 GMT -5
Yes, it's about the entire system in the Dominican. It traces two 15 year old players though their signings. One had an age issue and the other was the top prospect at the time, Jean Carlos Batista &Miguel Angel Sano. It's documentary style, not necessarily entertaining but informative. Here's a review I found in Google to give you an idea: www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/12/ballplayer-pelotero-documentary_n_1669572.html#slide=more238416 ADD: It includes hidden camera scenes with the local agents trying to pressure the families into signing with their team. In this case, it shed a real bad light on the Pirates but I'm guessing that it pretty much could have been any team.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 4, 2014 12:15:19 GMT -5
You guys are talking about two different movies/documentaries. Sugar is about the life of a real minor league player and the adversities he faced adapting to the life in the US. Ball Player: Pelotero is about the process of signing players with Miguel Sano a main figure in the film, its more of a documentary.
The hidden camera thing is with Rene Gayo, the Pirates International Scouting Director basically trying to black mail Sano and his family into accepting less money. I don't know if people remember before he signed but there were rumors that he was older, which came from Gayo apparently, and he had to take a DNA test to prove his age.
I'd say things have change since the player in "Sugar" went through what he went through. There are more Latin minor league coaches and teams are more aware of this issues so they have a better handle on it. Obviously not everything is perfect but I do think team are making efforts on the issue.
As for Ball Player: Pelotero, I want to believe that not many teams resort to that type of tactic but I'm sure some still do.
Edit: Don't know if you guys had it mixed up just wanted to add to the conversation.
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Post by burythehammer on Jun 4, 2014 13:30:27 GMT -5
Not sure if you meant otherwise but SUGAR is a completely fictional work. I'm sure a fair bit of research went into it and it's a respectable movie, but not based on any actual person. Of course I'm not someone who believes documentaries are "real" or objective either but obviously there's a distinction to be made there.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 4, 2014 15:31:39 GMT -5
Sorry I thought there was an actual guy the movie was based on. So yes there is a distinction between the two, which was what I originally tried to elaborate on.
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Post by lennsakata on Jun 4, 2014 18:53:48 GMT -5
We still haven't gotten any report on Daniel Gonzales, have we? Results, control and size are impressive. Guessing if he had ridiculous present stuff we'd have heard something by now
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 4, 2014 21:42:19 GMT -5
Sugar is great, but goes completely off the rails at the end in a way that's even hard to enjoy with a healthy suspension of disbelief.
Great baseball movie for the first, say, 75% (I forget at what point it gets dumb, but those who've seen it probably know exactly what I'm talking about). It goes from being super-grounded in reality to becoming completely unrealistic in pretty much an instant. I get the reasoning from a movie perspective, but it was weird to take such a realistic, interesting movie and give it such a ridiculous ending.
Still, required viewing if you're the type of person who posts here, really.
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As for the team, I'm assuming at this point that Yoan Aybar and Luis Alejandro Basabe are hurt. Neither has played after four games, which is very strange given the bonus the former got and the fact that the latter was the starting 2B in 2013.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 3, 2014 22:16:30 GMT -5
Happy 17th B-Day Yoan Aybar!!
2/3 2B, 3B
Off to a nice start so far.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 4, 2014 17:55:23 GMT -5
Sugar is great, but goes completely off the rails at the end in a way that's even hard to enjoy with a healthy suspension of disbelief. Great baseball movie for the first, say, 75% (I forget at what point it gets dumb, but those who've seen it probably know exactly what I'm talking about). It goes from being super-grounded in reality to becoming completely unrealistic in pretty much an instant. I get the reasoning from a movie perspective, but it was weird to take such a realistic, interesting movie and give it such a ridiculous ending. Still, required viewing if you're the type of person who posts here, really. The implied ending (in the sense of resolution) was unrealistic, but I thought the last quarter or third act was something that conceivably could happen, and made for a very interesting story. There have been plenty of young minor leaguers who missed a chunk (or even all) of a season due to personal reasons that landed them on the restricted list, and we never really hear the full story behind those. I made the apparent resolution make sense by imagining that as soon as the credits started to roll, someone from the parent club showed up to start his transition back to playing ball the next year. No way they give up on a talent of his caliber. The filmakers' previous flick, Half Nelson, BTW, is one of the great all-time indie flicks and (along with Lars and the Real Girl) the definitive proof that Ryan Gosling was as good an actor as any human on the planet, long before he became a hunk / movie star. (Sorry, temporarily possessed by an alternate--and possibly, at present, more devoted--area of geekdom).
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 5, 2014 11:21:44 GMT -5
Just watched Sugar on Wednesday, thanks for the suggestion. My girlfriend thought it was too depressing, but I found it incredibly realistic, especially when they show all those guys playing in an amateur game and rolled through the names.
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