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Post by jdb on Aug 23, 2014 8:22:04 GMT -5
I agree that Heyward could be a target. The Braves aren't saber minded and can't afford to pay him and Justin Upton. ( we probably need a trade forum thread)
As of right now are lineup looks RH but if Holt platoons with WMBs and Nava gets the majority of ABs as a 4th OF it doesn't look as bad. Are there any LHH catchers out there?
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 23, 2014 8:27:01 GMT -5
Are there any LHH catchers out there? I think A.J. Pierzynski is going to be a free agent after this season...
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Aug 23, 2014 8:48:08 GMT -5
I could see Sandoval as a potential 3rd base candidate for a one year pillow contract. The problem would be that he is likely going to eat the pillow.
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Post by jdb on Aug 23, 2014 9:16:50 GMT -5
I could see Sandoval as a potential 3rd base candidate for a one year pillow contract. The problem would be that he is likely going to eat the pillow. I'd like that if we have a protected pick. I guess the left side of the infield is the main question mark with the lineup. How has Xander looked at SS recently. Unfortunately I haven't been able to watch as much recently with a baby.
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Post by sibbysisti on Aug 23, 2014 9:31:08 GMT -5
I could see Sandoval as a potential 3rd base candidate for a one year pillow contract. The problem would be that he is likely going to eat the pillow. I'd like that if we have a protected pick. I guess the left side of the infield is the main question mark with the lineup. How has Xander looked at SS recently. Unfortunately I haven't been able to watch as much recently with a baby. He continues to have a bad play per game regimen. His last boo boo was an off balance throw (from a sitting position) that got by Nava at 1B and moved the runner to second. His judgement has been poor, but that can be improved with coaching and experience. It's his bat that worries me.
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Post by ethanbein on Aug 23, 2014 9:39:55 GMT -5
Sandoval's wRC+ for 2012, 2013, and 2014: 118/116/117. He is what he is. He's got no incentive to take a pillow contract. Headley on the other hand...
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Post by redsox4242 on Aug 23, 2014 9:52:59 GMT -5
Sandoval's wRC+ for 2012, 2013, and 2014: 118/116/117. He is what he is. He's got no incentive to take a pillow contract. Headley on the other hand... I would love Headley here, His glove is outstanding and his bat is solid. I think he'll command a contract around 12-13 million per year. So not sure how that would work, we do have the money to spend.
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Post by danr on Aug 23, 2014 10:00:30 GMT -5
Headley had his career season two years ago and isn't likely to come close to it again. He is likely to hit around .250 with 10-15 Hrs and an OPS of around .700 at best. That's better than what the Sox are getting now, but not as much as is needed.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Aug 23, 2014 10:36:22 GMT -5
Why not Aramis Ramirez? Assuming he declines his option.
wOBA last 4 years: .375, .384, .366, .352 UZR/150 last 4 years: -10.6, 7.8, -16, 7.4
Would be a good guy to sign for a 1-2 years stop gap. Could shift to 1B next year if it's a 2-year deal (1 year + an option).
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Post by saysbill on Aug 23, 2014 11:38:48 GMT -5
I think the Sox need to leave 1B open for Craig. He's had some foot/knee injuries that could keep bugging him in the OF. A shift to 1B could take the curse off a bit while the team could still benefit from his bat. Or do the Sox extend Napoli?
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Post by bryce on Aug 23, 2014 11:56:00 GMT -5
1.What do you think about that Jay Bruce or Domonic Brown is preferable to fit in the Fenway Park?I really love one of them to play in the Sox uniform ,although I heard the rumors that Red Sox turned their eye from Giancarlo Stanton to Jason Heyward now after signing Rusney Castillo.
2.Will Yoenis Cespedes,Mookie Betts,Jackie Bradley Jr.,Daniel Nava,Mike Napoli and Shane Victoro still in the Sox's 2015 retooling plans?Or they will be traded this offseason?What is your opinion?
3.I know it is the most important for us to bring in two dominant pitchers to our rotation.It is primary for us to do so now.But I put strong emphasis on the theory that we are very right-handed,so what do you think how many left-handed batters we need to acquire this winter?(Especially in outfield,I prefer two left-handed ones in the corners rather than Allen Craig and Yoenis Cespedes after we get Cuban's Castillo recently because of his possible locking in centerfield in Fenway and it seems likely we have at least 5 fixed RH staring fielders in our starting lineup consist of Christian Vazquez,Mike Napoli or even Allen Craig,Dustin Pedroia,Xander Bogaerts and newly acquired Castillo.)
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 23, 2014 12:42:59 GMT -5
Theory Z: Left side of infield for 2015. 2 players in lineup each day from this list: Xander, Holt, Cecchini, Mdbks, Coyle, Herrera. And late in the season: Marrero.
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Post by larrycook on Aug 23, 2014 14:33:57 GMT -5
Theory Z: Left side of infield for 2015. 2 players in lineup each day from this list: Xander, Holt, Cecchini, Mdbks, Coyle, Herrera. And late in the season: Marrero. Bogey has future all star 3rd baseman written all over him. Marrero could be the future shortstop, if the bat comes around. Coyle could be our future utility infielder. Holt cechini and middlebrooks are chips to be traded.
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 23, 2014 14:42:56 GMT -5
Coyle could be our future utility infielder. Holt cechini and middlebrooks are chips to be traded. Why would you want Coyle as our utility player and Holt traded away rather than the other way around?
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Post by larrycook on Aug 23, 2014 14:47:36 GMT -5
Coyle could be our future utility infielder. Holt cechini and middlebrooks are chips to be traded. Why would you want Coyle as our utility player and Holt traded away rather than the other way around? Holt's trade value is currently at the high water mark. Now would be the time to get max value for him.
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 23, 2014 14:53:46 GMT -5
Holt's trade value is currently at the high water mark. Now would be the time to get max value for him. The problem is we don't know what other teams would be willing to offer for any of our players. If indeed another team is willing to pay for Holt as if he is a league-average starting 2B (and I note that the MLB trade market is weird and you won't get 5 times as much for 5 years of such a player as you would for 1 year of such a player), then sure, sell high on him. But it's perfectly possible that no such offer is or will be on the table.
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Post by charliezink16 on Aug 23, 2014 16:15:36 GMT -5
Why would you want Coyle as our utility player and Holt traded away rather than the other way around? Holt's trade value is currently at the high water mark. Now would be the time to get max value for him. Who cares about his trade value? I don't think it's as high as you perceive. We have a farm system loaded with trade chips, none of which can play every single position on the diamond (minus C, P), yet you want to deal Holt?
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Post by danr on Aug 23, 2014 16:18:03 GMT -5
Holt has been fading for a while. Forget that he hit over .320 for part of the season. It appears he won't get back to that. I don't think he would be viewed by other teams as anything more than a utility player.
None of the obvious internal options for 3B look very good right now, assuming Bogaerts is not moved there again. But I wouldn't assume that.
Theo has a bunch of really good prospects on the left side of the infield, and he could use some pitching. There is a deal to be done there.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Aug 23, 2014 16:42:52 GMT -5
Holt was never a highly regarded prospect but he has always had the ability to hit the baseball. Hit tool is hands down the most important tool in baseball, and Holt can make good contact. I've always believed he was playing above his talent level this year but I don't think he's going to crumble to a .200 hitter either. His hitting ability, team control, and versatility has earned him a spot on this roster. I doubt he's a long term starter, but I don't think he's a flash in the pan either.
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Post by bigpupp on Aug 23, 2014 16:58:54 GMT -5
Why would you want Coyle as our utility player and Holt traded away rather than the other way around? Holt's trade value is currently at the high water mark. Now would be the time to get max value for him. But Coyle might not ever be good enough or healthy enough to be a quality player. It would be a little foolish to trade Holt now because you think Coyle might end up being as good as Holt is now in a few years.
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Post by larrycook on Aug 23, 2014 17:17:32 GMT -5
Holt's trade value is currently at the high water mark. Now would be the time to get max value for him. But Coyle might not ever be good enough or healthy enough to be a quality player. It would be a little foolish to trade Holt now because you think Coyle might end up being as good as Holt is now in a few years. That is true, but we have to give up value to get value. And just how much do we expect to get out of a reserve infielder?
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Post by bigpupp on Aug 23, 2014 18:59:05 GMT -5
But Coyle might not ever be good enough or healthy enough to be a quality player. It would be a little foolish to trade Holt now because you think Coyle might end up being as good as Holt is now in a few years. That is true, but we have to give up value to get value. And just how much do we expect to get out of a reserve infielder? Isn't that a question for you? How much do you expect to get back for Holt? And what would you have to get back to make it a good trade?
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Post by larrycook on Aug 23, 2014 19:40:17 GMT -5
That is true, but we have to give up value to get value. And just how much do we expect to get out of a reserve infielder? Isn't that a question for you? How much do you expect to get back for Holt? And what would you have to get back to make it a good trade? I think it all comes down to what pieces we get in free agency and what pieces we need to trade for. In my mind, we need three pieces. An ace (darvish), a closer ( Robertson) and a left handed power bat( ?) With those pieces and improvement from the youngsters, we are a playoff team.
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 23, 2014 19:44:53 GMT -5
In my mind, we need three pieces. An ace (darvish), a closer ( Robertson) and a left handed power bat( ?) So you are proposing we trade Brock Holt for Yu Darvish? No further questions, then.
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Post by larrycook on Aug 23, 2014 19:52:29 GMT -5
In my mind, we need three pieces. An ace (darvish), a closer ( Robertson) and a left handed power bat( ?) So you are proposing we trade Brock Holt for Yu Darvish? No further questions, then. No, just saying holt would be part of a trade for one of he pieces we need.
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