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Post by mgoetze on Aug 26, 2014 20:43:50 GMT -5
I am all for penciling in the guy at 3rd next year and giving him one last shot. But I thought the plan next year was to compete for another world series?
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Post by raftsox on Aug 27, 2014 5:13:48 GMT -5
I am all for penciling in the guy at 3rd next year and giving him one last shot. But I thought the plan next year was to compete for another world series? This. There are two proven upgrades available this off season in Headley and Panda. If the deal is right for Middlebrooks then you trade him; otherwise let him prove he deserves to play and can stay healthy for a whole season in AAA.
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Post by moonstone2 on Aug 27, 2014 7:03:03 GMT -5
I really don't care how old he is; there's still considerable upside should he prove healthy. Despite this being a prospect-centric site, there are a large number of MLB players who don't succeed until they're even older than Middlebrooks. I'm quite alright letting him prove both health and skill in AAA; should he not be able to, then you trade him mid or post 2014 season. [Of potentially relevant note is that I've never been a Cecchini fan, especially at 3B.] Well a lot of teams care about players age and factor them into their valuations. I am all for penciling in the guy at 3rd next year and giving him one last shot. I don't think you would increase his chances to be successful or his potential trade value, by keeping in him AAA. The organization probably doesn't think so either, otherwise he'd be down there right now. The reason Middlebrooks is in the majors now is because putting him at AAA burns his final option. You do that you pretty much have no choice but to trade him and you wouldn't get much. I am all for Middlebrooks getting chances but he's 25 now and still hasn't hit. At this point, you need to put him in AAA and have him earn a spot in the majors.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 27, 2014 8:58:30 GMT -5
I imagine barring major trades, that we'll be heading into next season with JBJ, WMB and Betts at AAA for depth. I also imagine that we'll only have one spot open for any of our young pitchers, probably RDLR. The take-away from this season is that you can't just pencil unproven players into the lineup. Unless you want multiple bridge years... The Sox aren't that patient. I guess (hope) that we will make necessary moves to clear a spot for someone like Betts if he's OPSing over 1.000 after 80 games. But I've only ever seen Ben clear spots when we're clearing house. What I don't want to see is someone like Betts stuck in the minors when it's clear he's better than someone in the majors just to hold onto the depth.
I also think it would not be wise to keep all of Cespedes, Craig and Napoli (plus Victorino) through the winter. With RH power at such a premium and FA bats being pretty non-existent, we should be dealing from a position of strength.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 27, 2014 10:40:31 GMT -5
A guy with over 2k minor league at bats......and entering his prime years (if he has the talent..which is a question)...and we want to stash him in the minors....because improvement in AAA is going tell everyone (including other teams) whether he can make it in the majors. Enough people have said this is the right decision...so I'll stand corrected...and we'll see.
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Post by danr on Aug 27, 2014 10:44:36 GMT -5
Betts continues to get on base and he is hitting a little more. If he follows his minor league pattern he soon will hit even more. If he does that, he isn't going to be at AAA next year.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 27, 2014 10:48:35 GMT -5
A guy with over 2k minor league at bats......and entering his prime years (if he has the talent..which is a question)...and we want to stash him in the minors....because improvement in AAA is going tell everyone (including other teams) whether he can make it in the majors. Enough people have said this is the right decision...so I'll stand corrected...and we'll see. Stashing him in the minors means him not killing the major league team. His biggest problem at this point is staying healthy.
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Post by sibbysisti on Aug 27, 2014 11:35:49 GMT -5
But I thought the plan next year was to compete for another world series? This. There are two proven upgrades available this off season in Headley and Panda. If the deal is right for Middlebrooks then you trade him; otherwise let him prove he deserves to play and can stay healthy for a whole season in AAA. Actually, there is another option besides Panda and Headley. Theo is looking for starting pitching We could send him our top pitching prospect for his top 3B prospect. Both sides fulfill a need.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 27, 2014 11:43:14 GMT -5
This. There are two proven upgrades available this off season in Headley and Panda. If the deal is right for Middlebrooks then you trade him; otherwise let him prove he deserves to play and can stay healthy for a whole season in AAA. Actually, there is another option besides Panda and Headley. Theo is looking for starting pitching We could send him our top pitching prospect for his top 3B prospect. Both sides fulfill a need. There is no way Theo is going to trade his "top 3B prospect."
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Post by redsox4242 on Aug 27, 2014 11:59:46 GMT -5
Can Starlin Castro play third base? if so, that would be a solid addition. He is under control until 2020. Castro is owed 43 million over the next 4 years with a club option of 16 million.
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Post by bsout2 on Aug 27, 2014 12:19:16 GMT -5
Can Starlin Castro play third base? if so, that would be a solid addition. He is under control until 2020. Castro is owed 43 million over the next 4 years with a club option of 16 million. He is another free swinger. Cubs tried to make him be patient at the plate last year and his numbers suffered. They let him go back to his ways this year.
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Post by redsox4242 on Aug 27, 2014 12:42:29 GMT -5
Yeah, i am not impressed with the OBP. However, he is a durable player at an important position. Castro averages 33 walks per year, Better then Pierzynski, but not something to brag about either.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 27, 2014 12:46:05 GMT -5
WMB might get another shot but if/when he continues to hit lousy or he gets hurt Brock Holt is going to wind up at 3b. He won't be needed in the OF next season. Perhaps by mid-season 2015, Cecchini becomes an option. He's been hitting a lot better the past month and with some power. Perhaps he can sustain this and be a legit option next year. The fact that he's left handed and patient at the plate doesn't hurt either.
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Post by raftsox on Aug 27, 2014 14:18:27 GMT -5
Actually, there is another option besides Panda and Headley. Theo is looking for starting pitching We could send him our top pitching prospect for his top 3B prospect. Both sides fulfill a need. There is no way Theo is going to trade his "top 3B prospect." You don't know anything, Chris. Workman and Britton are proven commodities, AND Theo drafted them. Bryant is just a prospect, so he'll totally do that deal. If he's a little hesitant, we could sweeten the pot with Chris Hernandez. Deal done. Pwned.
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Post by sibbysisti on Aug 27, 2014 14:33:34 GMT -5
There is no way Theo is going to trade his "top 3B prospect." You don't know anything, Chris. Workman and Britton are proven commodities, AND Theo drafted them. Bryant is just a prospect, so he'll totally do that deal. If he's a little hesitant, we could sweeten the pot with Chris Hernandez. Deal done. Pwned. Yea. And BC might even be willing to part with Jenny Dell's fiancé just so they have a "proven third baseman".
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Post by theburn on Aug 27, 2014 14:41:50 GMT -5
There is no way Theo is going to trade his "top 3B prospect." You don't know anything, Chris. Workman and Britton are proven commodities, AND Theo drafted them. Bryant is just a prospect, so he'll totally do that deal. If he's a little hesitant, we could sweeten the pot with Chris Hernandez. Deal done. Pwned. Bryant is on his way toward hitting fifty home runs between AA and AAA this year. He is not "just a prospect", and he is not going anywhere.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 27, 2014 14:50:26 GMT -5
You don't know anything, Chris. Workman and Britton are proven commodities, AND Theo drafted them. Bryant is just a prospect, so he'll totally do that deal. If he's a little hesitant, we could sweeten the pot with Chris Hernandez. Deal done. Pwned. Bryant is on his way toward hitting fifty home runs between AA and AAA this year. He is not "just a prospect", and he is not going anywhere. Not even if we include Drake Britton?
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Post by Smittyw on Aug 27, 2014 14:56:33 GMT -5
Bryant is on his way toward hitting fifty home runs between AA and AAA this year. He is not "just a prospect", and he is not going anywhere. Not even if we include Drake Britton? "Put Lavarnway on the table and we may have something here." -Theo
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Post by raftsox on Aug 27, 2014 15:09:20 GMT -5
Ya know...I really thought I could get away without using the international sarcasm font just this one time. Sigh.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 27, 2014 16:01:49 GMT -5
Ya know...I really thought I could get away without using the international sarcasm font just this one time. Sigh. I was going along with it.
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Post by raftsox on Aug 27, 2014 18:20:57 GMT -5
It was theburn that ruined it.
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Post by theburn on Aug 27, 2014 19:46:53 GMT -5
It was theburn that ruined it. Ha! Thank God. I've been getting used to such hare-brained ideas here, I'm losing track of what's real commentary and what isn't. Thanks for keeping me honest.
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Post by larrycook on Aug 29, 2014 21:54:19 GMT -5
Post trade I am beginning to like this team more than the April sox.
One more big left handed bat and a stud pitcher and I can see this team in the playoffs next season.
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Post by bryce on Aug 30, 2014 10:07:55 GMT -5
What do you think Clay Buchholz be in Red Sox? Is he in No.3 or No.4 starter in the Sox rotation?
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Post by GyIantosca on Aug 30, 2014 11:31:45 GMT -5
We can see if we have a fast lead off man will help this lineup. Next season we have some issues but the key to remember is between next season 2015 and the season after 2016 there is gonna be more turnover. I don't think besides the pitching the sox are doing much.
If the Sox gave Youk a chance at 3B then I think they should give Cecchini a shot. I like the way he handled himself and I pray Xander figures it out at SS because what an offensive weapon to have. Petey at 2b and Nap at 1b with Craig backing him up.
The Of LF Cepedes , CF Betts, RF Castillo , Victorino back up. Craig out here also.
Catching Vasquez. Bench Holt. I rather have Butler back up at Catcher instead of a Ross. I see Ross getting older. Butler can warm it up until Swihart is ready. Or maybe Larvanway in the mix.
Pitching gets interesting RDLR. Kelly, Ranaundo, Buch, Opening ( Hamels) ?, Workman (long man spot starter), Webster (trade bait maybe), Tazawa, Layne, Britton, Wilson,
Ortiz DH,
That's mostly how I see it give or take a move. Maybe there some interest in WMB . Move Mujica, maybe eat half of Victorino salary or he be on the DL for half of season. I was thinking of experimenting with Workman as a closer or bring back Miller or Koji. But not offering Koji the QO. If I am Ben I am making moves with 2016 in mind if they keep Victorino and Nap,Cepedes. Also Ortiz is gonna be year to year.
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