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2014-15 offseason discussion
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Post by redsoxfan1994 on Sept 27, 2014 3:48:56 GMT -5
I'm so excited about this offseason, but at the same time I'm worried that I'll be let down by nothing happening...or stuff happening that won't resolve log jams etc.
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Post by larrycook on Sept 27, 2014 8:50:05 GMT -5
I'm so excited about this offseason, but at the same time I'm worried that I'll be let down by nothing happening...or stuff happening that won't resolve log jams etc. I think ownership has made it clear they are hunting two quality top of the rotation pitchers. One should play out quickly in the free agent market. The trade route for the other may take a bit to develop. The big unknown is the lefty bat.
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 27, 2014 9:49:02 GMT -5
I'm so excited about this offseason, but at the same time I'm worried that I'll be let down by nothing happening...or stuff happening that won't resolve log jams etc. I'm excited too but I don't have your worries. I think a great deal will happen both with our outfield jam and the multitude of starting pitching candidates. My worry is that pursuing some big names will cost us a Mookie, Bogaerts, Swihart or Margot. I would rather wait on those guys another year even if it means missing the playoffs again.
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Post by bryce on Sept 27, 2014 10:09:04 GMT -5
One of my friends brought up the idea, what about Bryce Harper? Young, Left-Handed power bat in the outfield. He's been hurt, had some controversy with management, and underachieved to a degree. Mookie Betts and another piece or two? would allow them to move Rendon to Third full time, Betts to Second, Either Zimmerman to Left or 1st - Allows them to bring up either Michael Taylor, Stephen Souza, or Matthew Skole depending if they decide to pick up LaRoche or Spans options. Michael Brantley, has had a great year I don't see him traded though. Jay Bruce, Jason Heyward, Christian Yelich are some other names. It is a good thing to have a dream!
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Post by xanderbogaerts2 on Sept 27, 2014 16:08:45 GMT -5
One of my friends brought up the idea, what about Bryce Harper? Young, Left-Handed power bat in the outfield. He's been hurt, had some controversy with management, and underachieved to a degree. Mookie Betts and another piece or two? would allow them to move Rendon to Third full time, Betts to Second, Either Zimmerman to Left or 1st - Allows them to bring up either Michael Taylor, Stephen Souza, or Matthew Skole depending if they decide to pick up LaRoche or Spans options. Michael Brantley, has had a great year I don't see him traded though. Jay Bruce, Jason Heyward, Christian Yelich are some other names. It is a good thing to have a dream! Thanks man, really appreciate it Bryce!
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Post by grandsalami on Sept 27, 2014 16:24:20 GMT -5
“@timbritton: Cespedes said it’s too soon to talk extension. Not sure if he wants to yet.”
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Post by GyIantosca on Sept 27, 2014 16:42:42 GMT -5
Cespedes scares me in the outfield. If he takes over at DH eventually. Maybe thats what Ben was thinking if he signs long term. I cant think Ortiz is one year maybe two. I love the fact the FO isnt really tied into anything long excpet Petey and Castillo.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 27, 2014 16:53:55 GMT -5
Doubt Cashman would push for it, generally Steinbrenner (take your pick) is the one behind the horrendous deals in NY.
If Oakland doesn't make a QO to Jed Lowrie? I'd put him down as a favored target of Cashman, even if he cost him more money so the Yanks can keep their 1st round pick.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 27, 2014 17:52:03 GMT -5
“@timbritton: Cespedes said it’s too soon to talk extension. Not sure if he wants to yet.” The more I think about it the more Cespedes seems like the guy who's a trade chip.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Sept 27, 2014 18:39:11 GMT -5
I'm so excited about this offseason, but at the same time I'm worried that I'll be let down by nothing happening...or stuff happening that won't resolve log jams etc. I'm excited too but I don't have your worries. I think a great deal will happen both with our outfield jam and the multitude of starting pitching candidates. My worry is that pursuing some big names will cost us a Mookie, Bogaerts, Swihart or Margot. I would rather wait on those guys another year even if it means missing the playoffs again. Need to figure out what we're doing about closer too. Gimme Lester and Andrew Miller first. Can trade for a good starter during the season. Heck, Price, Lester and Smaardja got dealt this year. I'll worry about the LH bat at the trade deadline. If we're in it
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Post by danr on Sept 27, 2014 18:42:10 GMT -5
Does anyone think Hanley might take a 1 year deal like Beltre? With his injury history and inconsistency, plus the fact that he'd still be just 32 after the season, a year in Fenway could help him get one last big contract like Beltre did. It would also give the Sox another year to see if Cecchini, Marerro or even Coyle could be ready to help at SS/3B. Terrible waste of money. Hanley has not turned out to be the superstar that he seemed to be becoming when he was younger. Also, he doesn't fit this team. Next year's team is going to be young with just a few - very few, but very select - veterans. He would screw up the chemistry much the way Drew and that catcher whose name shall not be spoken did this year.
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Post by mattpicard on Sept 27, 2014 21:30:23 GMT -5
Does anyone think Hanley might take a 1 year deal like Beltre? With his injury history and inconsistency, plus the fact that he'd still be just 32 after the season, a year in Fenway could help him get one last big contract like Beltre did. It would also give the Sox another year to see if Cecchini, Marerro or even Coyle could be ready to help at SS/3B. Terrible waste of money. Hanley has not turned out to be the superstar that he seemed to be becoming when he was younger. Also, he doesn't fit this team. Next year's team is going to be young with just a few - very few, but very select - veterans. He would screw up the chemistry much the way Drew and that catcher whose name shall not be spoken did this year. Just a minor quibble -- Drew didn't hurt the chemistry, he was just terrible performance-wise, and his signing forced Xander to move off his primary position. The players loved him.
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Post by danr on Sept 28, 2014 10:46:18 GMT -5
Terrible waste of money. Hanley has not turned out to be the superstar that he seemed to be becoming when he was younger. Also, he doesn't fit this team. Next year's team is going to be young with just a few - very few, but very select - veterans. He would screw up the chemistry much the way Drew and that catcher whose name shall not be spoken did this year. Just a minor quibble -- Drew didn't hurt the chemistry, he was just terrible performance-wise, and his signing forced Xander to move off his primary position. The players loved him. Maybe chemistry wasn't the best choice of words for that situation. That move certainly screwed up Bogaerts. I wasn't thinking of Drew as a bad guy, just a bad choice under the circumstances.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 28, 2014 11:39:56 GMT -5
Just a minor quibble -- Drew didn't hurt the chemistry, he was just terrible performance-wise, and his signing forced Xander to move off his primary position. The players loved him. Maybe chemistry wasn't the best choice of words for that situation. That move certainly screwed up Bogaerts. I wasn't thinking of Drew as a bad guy, just a bad choice under the circumstances. You know if we're going with that logic we can also assume that Xander getting concussed pulled him out of his slump. More of a direct correlation, actually.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 28, 2014 12:50:43 GMT -5
“@timbritton: Cespedes said it’s too soon to talk extension. Not sure if he wants to yet.” The more I think about it the more Cespedes seems like the guy who's a trade chip. Agree, he seems like a me-first player as well as a bit overrated. He wouldn't play other OF positions in Oakland and won't do it in Boston either.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 28, 2014 12:54:08 GMT -5
Does anyone think Hanley might take a 1 year deal like Beltre? With his injury history and inconsistency, plus the fact that he'd still be just 32 after the season, a year in Fenway could help him get one last big contract like Beltre did. It would also give the Sox another year to see if Cecchini, Marerro or even Coyle could be ready to help at SS/3B. Terrible waste of money. Hanley has not turned out to be the superstar that he seemed to be becoming when he was younger. Also, he doesn't fit this team. Next year's team is going to be young with just a few - very few, but very select - veterans. He would screw up the chemistry much the way Drew and that catcher whose name shall not be spoken did this year. One of my good friends is a huge Dodgers fan and as crazy about baseball as most of us. He is praying the Dodgers don't re-sign him, mainly because of how bad he is defensively now and how he's always hurt. He doesn't even think Hanley could play 3B well enough to be acceptable.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 28, 2014 13:34:36 GMT -5
The more I think about it the more Cespedes seems like the guy who's a trade chip. Agree, he seems like a me-first player as well as a bit overrated. He wouldn't play other OF positions in Oakland and won't do it in Boston either. Those reasons aren't really important to me. It's more that I think Mookie and Castillo are the obvious starters at this point, with Nava in left against righty pitching, and then whichever of Craig/Victorino shows up healthy and effective platooning with him. The nice thing about Nava is that he probably won't kill you if he's taking the lions share of playing time in left, but if Craig or Victorino bounces back, Nava's status as the guy who's just happy to be on a major league roster makes it easier to give more playing time to either of those guys. Trading Cespedes gives you enough room on the roster to sort through the marginal OF candidates while keeping Castillo/Betts in there full time. Beyond specific roster construction issues, Betts is too good to trade, trading Castillo is just ridiculous, and with Craig and Victorino the Sox would be selling incredibly low. And Cespedes is the guy who you might actually be able to get an overpay on from some team that's desperate for power and can't find/afford a solution on the FA market.
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Post by jmei on Sept 28, 2014 13:40:15 GMT -5
Agree, he seems like a me-first player as well as a bit overrated. He wouldn't play other OF positions in Oakland and won't do it in Boston either. Those reasons aren't really important to me. It's more that I think Mookie and Castillo are the obvious starters at this point, with Nava in left against righty pitching, and then whichever of Craig/Victorino shows up healthy and effective platooning with him. The nice thing about Nava is that he probably won't kill you if he's taking the lions share of playing time in left, but if Craig or Victorino bounces back, Nava's status as the guy who's just happy to be on a major league roster makes it easier to give more playing time to either of those guys. Trading Cespedes gives you enough room on the roster to sort through the marginal OF candidates while keeping Castillo/Betts in there full time. Beyond specific roster construction issues, Betts is too good to trade, trading Castillo is just ridiculous, and with Craig and Victorino the Sox would be selling incredibly low. And Cespedes is the guy who you might actually be able to get an overpay on from some team that's desperate for power and can't find/afford a solution on the FA market. This is basically exactly how I came to the conclusion that Cespedes is the guy you trade as well.
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Post by larrycook on Sept 28, 2014 13:54:52 GMT -5
I'm excited too but I don't have your worries. I think a great deal will happen both with our outfield jam and the multitude of starting pitching candidates. My worry is that pursuing some big names will cost us a Mookie, Bogaerts, Swihart or Margot. I would rather wait on those guys another year even if it means missing the playoffs again. Need to figure out what we're doing about closer too. Gimme Lester and Andrew Miller first. Can trade for a good starter during the season. Heck, Price, Lester and Smaardja got dealt this year. I'll worry about the LH bat at the trade deadline. If we're in it The closer answer is Robertson. We hit him hard with a big four year deal and our closer hole is filled. The spamkees are going to be fixated on sherzer and Lester. Plus they have the new kid waiting to close next season. Robertson and shields is all we need to sign this offseason. Maybe the padres 37 year old reliever that had an outstanding year and is a free agent in a few weeks.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Sept 28, 2014 14:16:26 GMT -5
The closer answer is Robertson. We hit him hard with a big four year deal and our closer hole is filled.
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Post by larrycook on Sept 28, 2014 14:18:53 GMT -5
The closer answer is Robertson. We hit him hard with a big four year deal and our closer hole is filled. I think he is worth it and very few other teams will go to four years.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 28, 2014 14:29:57 GMT -5
I think he is worth it and very few other teams will go to four years. Because other teams aren't stupid.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Sept 28, 2014 15:20:56 GMT -5
Those reasons aren't really important to me. It's more that I think Mookie and Castillo are the obvious starters at this point, with Nava in left against righty pitching, and then whichever of Craig/Victorino shows up healthy and effective platooning with him. The nice thing about Nava is that he probably won't kill you if he's taking the lions share of playing time in left, but if Craig or Victorino bounces back, Nava's status as the guy who's just happy to be on a major league roster makes it easier to give more playing time to either of those guys. Trading Cespedes gives you enough room on the roster to sort through the marginal OF candidates while keeping Castillo/Betts in there full time. Beyond specific roster construction issues, Betts is too good to trade, trading Castillo is just ridiculous, and with Craig and Victorino the Sox would be selling incredibly low. And Cespedes is the guy who you might actually be able to get an overpay on from some team that's desperate for power and can't find/afford a solution on the FA market. This is basically exactly how I came to the conclusion that Cespedes is the guy you trade as well. Me, too ... I think the Sox have three big needs: pitching, third base, and left-handed batting. Cespedes fills none of those and is redundant with the folks FTHW mentioned in the areas of strength. I would only add that he could be very useful for another outfielder actually, one who bats left-handed [my dream scenario (not a trade proposal!) would using Cespedes as part of an attempt to get Jason Heyward as a left-handed outfielder, then using Nava as part of a drive to fill other needs, but that's just because I love the idea of Jason Heyward in RF in Fenway and irrationally expect him to explode soon]. Craig and Victorino are factors to consider, but not guys you build your plans around ... But, yeah, I don't see how Cespedes is on this team come spring training. He'll have more value to another team than he does for the Sox. As an aside, when the Lackey trade happened, it was generally seen as Lackey for Craig and Kelly, but now I definitely think of it as Lackey for Kelly and Craig.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Sept 28, 2014 17:07:16 GMT -5
I think he is worth it and very few other teams will go to four years. Obvious reasons.. You don't give relievers LT deals and it's bad news. How about Motte, just coming back from T/J? He's throwing hard again, could be had (possibly) on a 1y deal and team up with Taz, then bring back Koji as well on another 1y, plus team option for less than Robertson, who someone is going to far overpay on.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Sept 28, 2014 17:31:07 GMT -5
Workman and Barnes even could be decent relievers next year.
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