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6/19 ML Gameday Thread: Buchholz rehabs for Pawtucket
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Jun 19, 2014 9:24:56 GMT -5
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Post by Gwell55 on Jun 19, 2014 14:11:24 GMT -5
Does anyone have the feel yet on how Buchholtz's velocity and stamina are?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 19, 2014 14:11:35 GMT -5
Thru 6, Clay is looking damn good compared to last outing. All of his pitches seem to be working and the batters are looking somewhat foolish. Announcer not giving radars and none displayed at Rochester broadcast.
Neither Victorino nor Middlebrooks are in the lineup, not sure why.
Shaw just hammered a ball to right field. He's been slumping so it's good to see.
Alex Speier ?@alexspeier 9m
RHP Joe Gunkel, 1B Jantzen Witte moving from Greenville to Salem coming out of All-Star break
Buchholz done after 6. 87 pitches 51 strikes. 2H 2BB 5K 0R
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jun 19, 2014 14:25:02 GMT -5
Clay Buchholz with 87 total pitches and 51 strikes.
I H R ER BB K ERA
6.0 2 0 0 2 5 2.53
Looks like Clay is forcing the action.
For me, a difficult decision is to be made. I loved to see what Workman and Rubby can do every 5 days. But if....and that may be a BIG if....Buch can be close to what he can be....
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Post by jmei on Jun 19, 2014 14:26:15 GMT -5
Weird that they didn't promote Asuaje along with the others. Maybe Miller/Gragnani are enough competition for playing time to make it worth delaying his promotion?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 19, 2014 14:36:35 GMT -5
Weird that they didn't promote Asuaje along with the others. Maybe Miller/Gragnani are enough competition for playing time to make it worth delaying his promotion? I was thinking the same thing. One small factor might be that Gragnani is a local boy to Salem. Clay looked good, his stuff was sharp break, all of it. Hinojosa looks bad tonight, first time I've seen him when he looked bad but I haven't seen a lot of him. Everything looked hittable (the few strikes). |
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Post by ibsmith85 on Jun 19, 2014 14:57:36 GMT -5
Clay Buchholz with 87 total pitches and 51 strikes. I H R ER BB K ERA 6.0 2 0 0 2 5 2.53 Looks like Clay is forcing the action. For me, a difficult decision is to be made. I loved to see what Workman and Rubby can do every 5 days. But if....and that may be a BIG if....Buch can be close to what he can be.... If Buchholz is healthy and performing, he is in, Peavy should be the odd man out. Lester Lackey Buchholz Workman De La Rosa Either put Peavy in the bullpen like they did with Dempster last year (I know, Dempster had bullpen experience)or find an NL team in need of a #5 and eat money. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 19, 2014 15:00:02 GMT -5
Clay Buchholz with 87 total pitches and 51 strikes. I H R ER BB K ERA 6.0 2 0 0 2 5 2.53 Looks like Clay is forcing the action. For me, a difficult decision is to be made. I loved to see what Workman and Rubby can do every 5 days. But if....and that may be a BIG if....Buch can be close to what he can be.... If Buchholz is healthy and performing, he is in, Peavy should be the odd man out. Lester Lackey Buchholz Workman De La Rosa Either put Peavy in the bullpen like they did with Dempster last year (I know, Dempster had bullpen experience)or find an NL team in need of a #5 and eat money. You are forgetting Felix. Wilson just gave up a grand slam. That means Clay won't get a win which in turn proves he's not ready yet. |
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Jun 19, 2014 18:02:52 GMT -5
... That means Clay won't get a win which in turn proves he's not ready yet. That's funny. |
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Post by stevedillard on Jun 19, 2014 18:42:24 GMT -5
Devers with a 2-4 and an E (in his last DSL game?)
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Post by wskeleton76 on Jun 19, 2014 19:34:18 GMT -5
* Manuel Margot hits an inside-the-park home run (5) on a fly ball to right field.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jun 19, 2014 21:29:05 GMT -5
I hope they trade a starter. And it's not necessarily one of the guys in AAA.
Doubront?
Peavey? ( assuming no QO is now an option )
They have both Workman and RDLR firing on all cylinders right now. With Ranaudo, Wright, Barnes and Owens all conceivable options soon. We are within striking range of the playoffs but I'd still pull the trigger on a starter before the deadline.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 19, 2014 21:41:27 GMT -5
Weird that they didn't promote Asuaje along with the others. Maybe Miller/Gragnani are enough competition for playing time to make it worth delaying his promotion? I was thinking the same thing. One small factor might be that Gragnani is a local boy to Salem. Clay looked good, his stuff was sharp break, all of it. Hinojosa looks bad tonight, first time I've seen him when he looked bad but I haven't seen a lot of him. Everything looked hittable (the few strikes). I know you were probably anticipating this response based on how you wrote your post, but the "local" factor has nothing to do with it. Gragnani is from Richmond, which is nearly 3 hours from Salem, and UVA is 2 hours from Salem (trust me, I was pissed I didn't get there more while I was in Charlottesville). Plus past history says that's ignored by the FO. They basically skipped Bradley over Greenville where he actually was a big deal because of his time at USC (unlike Gragnani, who nobody knows). They also, in theory, could have kept Madison Younginer back in Greenville last year where he was very local. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 19, 2014 22:28:35 GMT -5
I was thinking the same thing. One small factor might be that Gragnani is a local boy to Salem. Clay looked good, his stuff was sharp break, all of it. Hinojosa looks bad tonight, first time I've seen him when he looked bad but I haven't seen a lot of him. Everything looked hittable (the few strikes). I know you were probably anticipating this response based on how you wrote your post, but the "local" factor has nothing to do with it. Gragnani is from Richmond, which is nearly 3 hours from Salem, and UVA is 2 hours from Salem (trust me, I was pissed I didn't get there more while I was in Charlottesville). Plus past history says that's ignored by the FO. They basically skipped Bradley over Greenville where he actually was a big deal because of his time at USC (unlike Gragnani, who nobody knows). They also, in theory, could have kept Madison Younginer back in Greenville last year where he was very local. Yes, it was more or less an all things being equal factor which would be rare. I'm guessing that Asuaje at this point is more a victim of the situation. The Sox obviously prefer Coyle at 2B and the reason should be obvious, limited wingspan. If we want to be brutally obvious here, there isn't a position prospect in our system who is in more of a trade chip situation than Coyle. Right now he's increasing our off season poker chip pile. I don't think the Sox want to interrupt that asset value to promote a player who doesn't profile as a major league player (Gragnani). We can do that next year. They will need to get creative here for Asuaje to be promoted. ADD: In the other thirds of the promotion, I'm guessing the Drive have a locker picked out for Travis and I've said several times when watching Drive games that Weems' tools are obvious, he's got two way catcher potential but obviously needs a lot of work. |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 19, 2014 22:54:44 GMT -5
I was thinking the same thing. One small factor might be that Gragnani is a local boy to Salem. Clay looked good, his stuff was sharp break, all of it. Hinojosa looks bad tonight, first time I've seen him when he looked bad but I haven't seen a lot of him. Everything looked hittable (the few strikes). I know you were probably anticipating this response based on how you wrote your post, but the "local" factor has nothing to do with it. Gragnani is from Richmond, which is nearly 3 hours from Salem, and UVA is 2 hours from Salem (trust me, I was pissed I didn't get there more while I was in Charlottesville). Plus past history says that's ignored by the FO. They basically skipped Bradley over Greenville where he actually was a big deal because of his time at USC (unlike Gragnani, who nobody knows). They also, in theory, could have kept Madison Younginer back in Greenville last year where he was very local. This probably doesn't mean much to most of you guys, yet if weren't aware, want to let you know how most of the players used to at least room and board with how little they earned at the A ball (FSL) level. There would be at least 3, sometimes 4 players rent a nice apartment, or condo that had 2 bedrooms and a couch with a fold out bed. Nice kitchen. rotten food situation that you would expect out of any 19-21 year old. 1 guy generally had a car/van/truck for the transportation needs. Still try to recall exactly what the basic salary was am am **not sure**, but am thinking it was around 440.00 per month. I might/could be wrong. Players couldn't afford to live/eat well not getting paid very much. I'd go out with some of them that was friendly with, bring 'em hot dogs in between double header games.. Play cards with them on late friday nights. Good times... |
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 20, 2014 5:54:29 GMT -5
So, Carson Blair went 2/4, HR, and is now hitting .261 / .390 / .521.
You know what? He's a prospect.
Forget that he's 24 and is only in high-A, because when we look at age relative to league, age is a proxy for experience. A 24 year-old is not physically more developed than a guy who is 22, he just has (presumably, typically) two more years to have learned how to hit or pitch, including years in college.
Carson Blair was given a 4th round (slot 142) bonus of $200,000 ($219,400 in today's dollars) when he signed out of HS. We converted him to catcher, and for whatever reasons he spent five years as a backup. He came into this season with 696 career PA. That's only 148 more PA than Ryan Lavarnway had when he started high-A, and we got very excited when Lavarnway hit .289 / .392 / .487 at Salem in 2010.
Swihart hit 696 PA last July 28, when he was in high-A, so Blair is less than a year of experience time behind him. Christian Vazquez hit that number on June 16th of his second year in low-A, so Blair has made better progress, in terms of reps at the plate.
Definitely a guy worth keeping an eye on.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 20, 2014 7:50:44 GMT -5
Forget that he's 24 and is only in high-A No. |
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Post by godot on Jun 20, 2014 7:56:20 GMT -5
Blair is intriguing. Don't know if he is a prospect. That is just beyond me. Sometimes it seems that if a kid has a good week, people scream he should be a prospect. Regardless, doesn't seem like he has logged full seasons until now (injuries, back up role?), but last year he showed some improvement in about 45 games. This is his third try at Salem, but like this years power surge. It certainly is "worth keeping an eye on him", if you have little else to do.
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