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6/28 ML Gameday Thead: McGrath and 6 righties
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Jun 27, 2014 21:23:41 GMT -5
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Post by juanpena on Jun 28, 2014 15:31:12 GMT -5
Jordon Austin gets in the hit column! And two scoreless innings for Williams Jerez.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 28, 2014 18:32:16 GMT -5
Sean Coyle WANTS his promotion so bad...
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 28, 2014 18:32:57 GMT -5
Dawgs at it again. Another bomb by Coyle. Earlier missed a HR on a disputed call too. HR's by Gibson and Chester. Swihart has flown out to the wall 2x. Once to cf and one down lf line.
Reading tied it at 3. But, Marrero hit a go-ahead run in Top 9th to put Portland up 4-3. 2-4 on the night.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 28, 2014 19:50:47 GMT -5
In the Pawsox game, Vazquez is 3-3 with a HR. Up 5-4 with two outs Top 8th and he throws the runner out trying to steal third. Not sure why. But, are Vazquez and Marrero better than AJP and Drew at this point?
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 28, 2014 20:06:27 GMT -5
I'd like to see Kurcz moved up to Pawtucket. He's had the time at AA with nothing left to prove there.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 28, 2014 20:12:47 GMT -5
I'd like to see Kurcz moved up to Pawtucket. He's had the time at AA with nothing left to prove there. Does Kurcz have a nickname? Needs to be The Colonel. From Apocolypse Now. Brando's character.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 28, 2014 20:13:36 GMT -5
I'd like to see Kurcz moved up to Pawtucket. He's had the time at AA with nothing left to prove there. TJ stretch out year, I'd rather see Celestino, Scott, Olmsted or Ramirez. Right now Kurcz is throwing 93-94. 1st game back 97-98, I'm guessing he is throttled down. He just needs to build back the arm strength this year. Portland's bullpen is to bullpens what Pawtucket's rotation is to rotations. On the other hand, Boston next year would be nice. How about Theo Kurcz ? Captain Kurcz would also work. . . . Portland's top 4 at it again: Gibson 1/3 HR(1), BB Marrero 2/4 HR(5) Swihart 1/4 2B Coyle 1/4 HR(9) It shouldn't go unnoticed that these are the middle of the diamond position players, no corners and all solid or higher defenders.
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Post by cdj on Jun 28, 2014 21:13:17 GMT -5
Jerez has looked intriguing in his first two outings. Wonder what he's throwing.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 28, 2014 21:14:06 GMT -5
I'm guessing baseballs but I might be wrong. . . . Greenville lost 5-4. all 5 unearned off 2 errors and a walk-off passed ball. They've figured out how to stop Margot, he got the night off. Asuaje 3/5 with a 2B and Perkins 2/4 with a HR(6). Kendrick also had a SB and a CS but the CS was third base and he broke the Cardinal (General Manager ?) sin of being the third out. Tsk,tsk,tsk. Hopefully a learning experience, never make the 1st or 3rd out running at 3B.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 28, 2014 21:37:49 GMT -5
Didn't realize his velocity had dropped so suddenly again. You are probably right he needs to stick at Portland for at least a little while longer. i don't see Scott/Olmstead as ever having a chance to help the MLB club myself, so would prefer to see Celestino of that lot listed to get a chance, plus he's one of the guys on the long list of rule 5 guys upcoming this winter. Might as well give him a shot.
The pawsox could always swap out one of the reliever MiLB veterans, release one, or stick one of the DL as is done.
Noe Ramirez probably won't have much of (if any) of a MLB career either, but he really doesn't have much left to prove at AA either. Ditto making room the same way for him at Pawtucket.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 28, 2014 21:42:48 GMT -5
I see Ramirez as an excellent middle relief prospect, love his change up (and make-up). Britton at Pawtucket has me concerned, this year he has a velocity drop from last but nobody has ever explained it and he's gone from being a good reliever to being marginal, always on the ropes. Scott is a lefty and those always have life. Olmsted could be middle relief candidates but is older, similar to Wilkerson & Gibson, all three on the prospect/org guy cusp. Celestino has a dominating look to him and the batter/pitcher confrontations.
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On Kurcz, the reason I think it's intentionally throttled down is that first outing, no fastballs less than 97, second outing and thereafter, no pitches that I've seen above 94. If you look at his SP profile, it's pretty much spot on to how he's throwing now. His first game though, he dominated and was definitely fast enough to work in the upper half. He struck out the side and I think the single he gave up was a broken bat single. He was more dominant in the first game than Celestino when he's dominant.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 28, 2014 21:57:39 GMT -5
I'd like to see Kurcz moved up to Pawtucket. He's had the time at AA with nothing left to prove there. Does Kurcz have a nickname? Needs to be The Colonel. From Apocolypse Now. Brando's character. Well, Kurtz in the flick is based on the Joseph Conrad character, so I'm going to call Aaron "Heart of Darkness." We need more of those old-fashioned nicknames like "Death to Flying Things." Wright and McGrath had opposite games: Wright giving up 4 in his first third of an inning and then going 6.2 2 0 0 1 7 with a GDP, McGrath having a 4.2 2 0 0 3 6 line, with just 3 balls hit to the OF, before giving up a 3B and HR. BTW, McGrath was charged with 3 unearned runs because there was a blown CS earlier in the inning, but since the 3B and HR happened after the 3rd out should have, those two runs really ought to be earned -- runners who reach and score after what should have been a 3rd out should be earned.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 28, 2014 22:11:02 GMT -5
You might be right but I always thought all runs after the third out were unearned, even if they reached after.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 28, 2014 22:22:01 GMT -5
You might be right but I always thought all runs after the third out were unearned, even if they reached after. Oh, yes, "ought to be" in a sane world. I'm criticizing a scoring rule that's absurd. Hypothetical: Groundount Strikeout SS boots easy grounder Walk Walk Home Run Single Double Walk Home Run By what logic are the last 7 runs allowed the SS's fault? It's never made a lick of sense.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 28, 2014 22:27:53 GMT -5
Ah, OK, misinterpreted. I agree, even more insane would be if there was a pitching change after your error. . . . Another thought, can we have a more obvious case of the Red Sox promoting on scouting and development as opposed to cyberstuff than Jordan Weems being promoted before Romanski in spite of a .166/.283/.215/.497 line at the time? Romanski to the all-star game, Weems to Salem (where's he's the feature catcher now) is pretty stark.
Witte with his first Salem HR.
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Post by cdj on Jun 28, 2014 22:53:29 GMT -5
I'm guessing baseballs but I might be wrong. . . . Greenville lost 5-4. all 5 unearned off 2 errors and a walk-off passed ball. They've figured out how to stop Margot, he got the night off. Asuaje 3/5 with a 2B and Perkins 2/4 with a HR(6). Kendrick also had a SB and a CS but the CS was third base and he broke the Cardinal (General Manager ?) sin of being the third out. Tsk,tsk,tsk. Hopefully a learning experience, never make the 1st or 3rd out running at 3B. Well I guess I walked right into that one. Anybody got any initial reports on velocity? I'll look around a bit.
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Post by cdj on Jun 28, 2014 22:57:19 GMT -5
Just found some info in a Speier article (go figure).
Jerez was up to 92 in EXST. Started incorporating secondary stuff and he works pretty hard at it apparently.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 28, 2014 23:10:07 GMT -5
Ah, OK, misinterpreted. I agree, even more insane would be if there was a pitching change after your error. That they did think of. So, when that happens, the runs are officially earned for the new pitcher, but unearned for the team! Hence we have a litany of footnotes in the records explaining that the team total ER for the season does not match the total of the individual pitchers' ER, because of the application of rule 10.16 (i). You'd think that this would have been a tip-off that the whole rule was wrong.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 28, 2014 23:21:24 GMT -5
Just found some info in a Speier article (go figure). Jerez was up to 92 in EXST. Started incorporating secondary stuff and he works pretty hard at it apparently. Sorry, couldn't resist. Cool deal. I'd like to see some scouting on Oscar Perez who made the same transition last year and is now pitching in Lowell. Hopefully one of the scout types will get out to see him. I'm really not expecting to get much out of Jerez' first year scouting anyways, way too early to tell if that might work. He obviously has the arm strength or the Sox wouldn't even have considered it. . . . Ranking discussions belong in the meta forum but this week's rankings changes shouldn't go unnoticed. Swihart, Johnson, Marrero, Margot and Diaz all moving up.
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Post by cdj on Jun 29, 2014 1:35:58 GMT -5
Just found some info in a Speier article (go figure). Jerez was up to 92 in EXST. Started incorporating secondary stuff and he works pretty hard at it apparently. Sorry, couldn't resist. Cool deal. I'd like to see some scouting on Oscar Perez who made the same transition last year and is now pitching in Lowell. Hopefully one of the scout types will get out to see him. I'm really not expecting to get much out of Jerez' first year scouting anyways, way too early to tell if that might work. He obviously has the arm strength or the Sox wouldn't even have considered it. . . . Ranking discussions belong in the meta forum but this week's rankings changes shouldn't go unnoticed. Swihart, Johnson, Marrero, Margot and Diaz all moving up. Haha no worries, I'd have done the same thing presented with the opportunities. And yeah, I'd be interested to see the reports on Perez too. Maybe he turns out like Edgar Martinez where he starts having some success with a solid base adding a little to his fastball (although Martinez always had the fastball with good movement, something the very early reports on Perez noted he lacked)
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 29, 2014 2:10:56 GMT -5
Sorry, couldn't resist. Cool deal. I'd like to see some scouting on Oscar Perez who made the same transition last year and is now pitching in Lowell. Hopefully one of the scout types will get out to see him. I'm really not expecting to get much out of Jerez' first year scouting anyways, way too early to tell if that might work. He obviously has the arm strength or the Sox wouldn't even have considered it. . . . Ranking discussions belong in the meta forum but this week's rankings changes shouldn't go unnoticed. Swihart, Johnson, Marrero, Margot and Diaz all moving up. Haha no worries, I'd have done the same thing presented with the opportunities. And yeah, I'd be interested to see the reports on Perez too. Maybe he turns out like Edgar Martinez where he starts having some success with a solid base adding a little to his fastball (although Martinez always had the fastball with good movement, something the very early reports on Perez noted he lacked) I've always been interested in the lab experiments. Almanzar from physical specimen to baseball player, Carson Blair from 2B to C, Oscar Perez from C to pitcher and now Jarez. Hopefully they'll have more luck than I've had trying to turn my kids Barbies into Kelly LeBrock. . . . Portland Sea Dogs ?@portlandseadogs 7m Top 2 averages this month in all of Double-A: Gibson .393 & Marrero .390.
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