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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 22, 2014 10:01:11 GMT -5
Neither buying nor selling is becoming increasingly a possibility (not necessarily that I agree with it).
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Post by okin15 on Jul 22, 2014 10:18:24 GMT -5
While I understand this is a prospect board, too many people want to trade players just for the sake of picking up prospects. Sometimes I feel as though there is a backwards mentality that the Red Sox MLB team purely exist to funnel prospects to their Minor League Affiliates. They have a chance for the second WC and it's not too far fetched. Once there anything can happen. This thread pretty much assumes that the Sox will only be sellers if they no longer think they will win this year. Don't we feel the could sell on Peavy and still be adding value to the MLB roster? I know he's had two good starts now, but he's not what he once was, and we have some potentially dominant options in Webster and Ranaudo. That's my opinion anyway, that Peavy isn't as good as one of those guys right now. Of course, any results tonight that might change that opinion would also increase the haul we could get for him.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 22, 2014 10:31:43 GMT -5
This thread pretty much assumes that the Sox will only be sellers if they no longer think they will win this year. Don't we feel the could sell on Peavy and still be adding value to the MLB roster? I know he's had two good starts now, but he's not what he once was, and we have some potentially dominant options in Webster and Ranaudo. That's my opinion anyway, that Peavy isn't as good as one of those guys right now. Of course, any results tonight that might change that opinion would also increase the haul we could get for him. Could be but I'm not so sure the Sox feel that way. Consider that he's still only 32 and he's healthy. He's had 3 decent games in a row and now has the advantage of a decent battery-mate every time out. In Ranaudo and Webster, we're still talking about inexperienced players. At minimum, it's debatable if the Sox are going for it.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jul 22, 2014 12:07:54 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 22, 2014 12:10:47 GMT -5
Well, it's gotta be worth more than a comp pick.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jul 22, 2014 12:14:25 GMT -5
Would Headley decline a QO? I can't imagine him turning one down.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 22, 2014 12:16:12 GMT -5
I have no idea. 3B are so hard to find, that I'm sure some team would be willing he returns to his 30 HR form after he gets away from Petco. I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole though if it requires a multiple year offer.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 22, 2014 12:19:18 GMT -5
Cashman sure is acting boldly to improve his team. Definitely a sellers' market at the moment. By the time the Red Sox decide to sell, it could be too late.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 22, 2014 12:20:13 GMT -5
Would Headley decline a QO? I can't imagine him turning one down. Now that he's been traded, he's ineligible to receive a QO.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jul 22, 2014 12:20:28 GMT -5
I think after what happened with Drew and Morales, players on the fringe would be much less willing to risk free agency. Who ever would want to gamble on Headley if he turned down the offer would have to beat a 15M contract and include a first round draft pick. That is for a guy who is OPSing 655 right now.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jul 22, 2014 12:21:48 GMT -5
Would Headley decline a QO? I can't imagine him turning one down. Now that he's been traded, he's ineligible to receive a QO. Right, the quote was that the trade package would have to be better than the comp pick San Diego would get if they extended a QO and Headley walked. I didn't think SD would give him a QO. Solarte and Class A Depaula was final package. Edit: Depaula is ranked Yankees 15th prospect on MLB.com. 23 years old with a fastball that can hit 100, but not really anything else.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 22, 2014 12:28:27 GMT -5
Cashman sure is acting boldly to improve his team. Definitely a sellers' market at the moment. By the time the Red Sox decide to sell, it could be too late. Is Solarte and De Paula a lot more than a comp pick?
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Post by jmei on Jul 22, 2014 12:30:06 GMT -5
In my opinion, San Diego got a pretty underwhelming return. But I agree with jrffam that I don't think they would have extended Headley the QO (he would have been a strong candidate to accept), so Solate and Depaula were still better than the alternative of probably getting nothing when he walked in the offseason.
I'm mildly surprised the Blue Jays didn't outbid the Yankees-- Toronto seems like they could use him a little more, and they're a team that should be firmly focused on winning now.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 22, 2014 12:30:46 GMT -5
MLB ?@mlb 4m
.@yankees acquire 3B Chase Headley and cash from @padres for INF Yangervis Solarte and RHP Rafael De Paula, source tells @followthepadres.
Cash also.
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 22, 2014 12:32:50 GMT -5
Definitely a sellers' market at the moment. By the time the Red Sox decide to sell, it could be too late. Is Solarte and De Paula a lot more than a comp pick? There is no chance that Headley was getting a QO from SD. Solarte is a decent utility bat, cost-controlled for the next five years, and De Paula is an A-ball lottery ticket that likely will end up in a major league bullpen. MFY is picking up roughly $3mm of Headley's remaining $4mm in salary.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 22, 2014 12:35:37 GMT -5
Chase Headly - True Yankee? We'll have film and extensive discussion at 11….
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 22, 2014 13:13:32 GMT -5
Jon Heyman ?@jonheymancbs 2m
it is exactly $1M going from SD to yanks to complete headley deal
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 22, 2014 13:27:58 GMT -5
Without quoting a bunch of tweets, Callis doesn't think The Padres made out all that well in either the Street or Headley deals.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jul 22, 2014 13:48:59 GMT -5
I didn't think the Street deal was that great, considering his team option, but really what would you want for Headley? He is having a terrible season and is a free agent this year. Think of this way, if the Red Sox were .500 right now and we didn't have Drew who would you be comfortable giving up for Headley?
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Post by amfox1 on Jul 22, 2014 13:57:54 GMT -5
I didn't think the Street deal was that great, considering his team option, but really what would you want for Headley? He is having a terrible season and is a free agent this year. Think of this way, if the Red Sox were .500 right now and we didn't have Drew who would you be comfortable giving up for Headley? No one. We have WMB and Holt.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 22, 2014 14:04:43 GMT -5
I didn't think the Street deal was that great, considering his team option, but really what would you want for Headley? He is having a terrible season and is a free agent this year. Think of this way, if the Red Sox were .500 right now and we didn't have Drew who would you be comfortable giving up for Headley? No one. We have WMB and Holt. I'm not sure if people realize how close we are to Holt not having a position. Victorino, Bogaerts, Drew, and JBJ have to take games off for him just to stay in the lineup.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 22, 2014 14:15:50 GMT -5
Seems like we're using Holt in that super-utility role. He's giving some guys a rest against righties; Victorino and Bogaerts. Playing for Drew or JBJ against lefties. The back-up at 4 positions. Not to mention backing up Pedey. Who can prob be rested here and there against a tough rightie.
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Post by mattpicard on Jul 22, 2014 14:18:23 GMT -5
No one. We have WMB and Holt. I'm not sure if people realize how close we are to Holt not having a position. Victorino, Bogaerts, Drew, and JBJ have to take games off for him just to stay in the lineup. He doesn't need a set position in the field, he just needs to stay at the top of our lineup. It hasn't been a problem so far, as literally no one in the game has played more than him since he was recalled on May 17. And semi-frequent off-days aren't a bad thing for Victorino and Drew at all. Hell, I'd sit Victorino close to half the time vs. a RHP, and Stephen Drew against just about every lefty.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 22, 2014 14:20:02 GMT -5
Seems like we're using Holt in that super-utility role. He's giving some guys a rest against righties; Victorino and Bogaerts. Playing for Drew or JBJ against lefties. The back-up at 4 positions. Not to mention backing up Pedey. Who can prob be rested here and there against a tough rightie. JBJ shouldn't be skipping LHP. He is hitting them better than RHP this season. I also don't think Bogaerts should be getting many games off. Plus there's WMB supposedly on the way.
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Post by marrcus on Jul 22, 2014 14:21:06 GMT -5
Victorino, Bogaerts, Drew, and JBJ have to take games off for him just to stay in the lineup." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dustin? Now that -1 game off per week-- would cause a bit of trouble. But he has to play somewhere?
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