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Post by jimed14 on Jul 27, 2014 14:23:06 GMT -5
I'm not sure why people assume it's always mental when a pitcher is wild.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 27, 2014 14:23:31 GMT -5
Please - all of you who still contend this guy will be a #1 or #2 - take a good look. 75 pitches after 4 innings, 5 BB - 3 of those to the 7-8-9 hitters. And the Rays may be streaking but this is a team that does not light it up
Maybe* Webster will be a number 2 one day but the the same could've been said for DiceK - if he kept his pitches down and didn't nibble, too. He may figure it out one day, and I hope it's today in the next 3 innings and he goes on to become the super duper Ace so many have told me he will be if he can just gain more control over his pitches. Meanwhile he's making Doubront start to sound legit in his pleas to start again.
*And maybe Kate Upton will make us all pancakes for breakfast.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 27, 2014 14:25:38 GMT -5
I'm not sure why people assume it's always mental when a pitcher is wild. Because the mind controls the body.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 27, 2014 14:28:37 GMT -5
Please - all of you who still contend this guy will be a #1 or #2 - take a good look. 75 pitches after 4 innings, 5 BB - 3 of those to the 7-8-9 hitters. And the Rays may be streaking but this is a team that does not light it up Maybe* Webster will be a number 2 one day but the the same could've been said for DiceK - if he kept his pitches down and didn't nibble, too. He may figure it out one day, and I hope it's today in the next 3 innings and he goes on to become the super duper Ace so many have told me he will be if he can just gain more control over his pitches. Meanwhile he's making Doubront start to sound legit in his pleas to start again. *And maybe Kate Upton will make us all pancakes for breakfast. Yeah, this one start proves it.
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Post by ianrs on Jul 27, 2014 14:29:06 GMT -5
I'm not sure why people assume it's always mental when a pitcher is wild. Because Cartesian dualism lives on.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 27, 2014 14:31:45 GMT -5
It's too bad Webster is so mental on the mound. He has the stuff. What the f**k does that mean? Add: I've watched maybe 15 pitches so far. The box showed 3 or 4 of those as strikes that were called balls. Webster is not the only one who can't figure out his stuff. Add2: The ump just gave Archer a strike he didn't bother giving Webster.... Nice to have Bradley around.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 27, 2014 14:32:28 GMT -5
Webster's stuff, all of it, has so much movement on it that it's almost silly looking. Add: Just walked in for the rest of the game. Lot of angst in the thread. Are people going to be upset if he ends up winning? The movement seems to be why he has a hard time with control. It's almost like he's a knuckle-ball pitcher. He'll probably figure it all out by the time he's 27-28.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jul 27, 2014 14:35:37 GMT -5
I see two different issues with his delivery. At times he over throws his fastball which causes it to run up and in to righties (away to lefties). Other times he appears to be over-aiming the pitch causing it to go down and in to lefties (away to righties). Both are related to his inability to repeat his delivery, but there are two separate issues IMO.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 27, 2014 14:36:32 GMT -5
Please - all of you who still contend this guy will be a #1 or #2 - take a good look. 75 pitches after 4 innings, 5 BB - 3 of those to the 7-8-9 hitters. And the Rays may be streaking but this is a team that does not light it up Maybe* Webster will be a number 2 one day but the the same could've been said for DiceK - if he kept his pitches down and didn't nibble, too. He may figure it out one day, and I hope it's today in the next 3 innings and he goes on to become the super duper Ace so many have told me he will be if he can just gain more control over his pitches. Meanwhile he's making Doubront start to sound legit in his pleas to start again. *And maybe Kate Upton will make us all pancakes for breakfast. Yeah, this one start proves it. In 35 1/3 MLB innings, Allen Webster has 23 walks and a 7.90 ERA. That proves, at least for now, that he is ineffective as a starter at the MLB level.
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Post by mredsox89 on Jul 27, 2014 14:39:32 GMT -5
Lets give him a chance starting with Boston every 5 days for a few weeks. He clearly turned things around with his BB's in Pawtucket starting every 5th day, and this season is done anyways.
From 7/31 on, the club has to see what it has pitching wise in Webster/Ranaudo/etc since they hope to contend in 2015
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 27, 2014 14:39:50 GMT -5
Yeah, this one start proves it. In 35 1/3 MLB innings, Allen Webster has 23 walks and a 7.90 ERA. That proves, at least for now, that he is ineffective as a starter at the MLB level. You were the one pointing to this one game as the evidence we need.
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Post by redsox4242 on Jul 27, 2014 14:40:44 GMT -5
BRADLEY! WHAT A CATCH!! GOLD GLOVE!!
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 27, 2014 14:42:07 GMT -5
It's too bad Webster is so mental on the mound. He has the stuff. What the f**k does that mean? Add: I've watched maybe 15 pitches so far. The box showed 3 or 4 of those as strikes that were called balls. Webster is not the only one who can't figure out his stuff. Add2: The ump just gave Archer a strike he didn't bother giving Webster.... Nice to have Bradley around. This is the worst home plate umpiring performance I've seen all year. He's been bad to both teams.
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Post by ianrs on Jul 27, 2014 14:42:13 GMT -5
Have a day JBJ! His D never gets old.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jul 27, 2014 14:44:15 GMT -5
What the f**k does that mean? Add: I've watched maybe 15 pitches so far. The box showed 3 or 4 of those as strikes that were called balls. Webster is not the only one who can't figure out his stuff. Add2: The ump just gave Archer a strike he didn't bother giving Webster.... Nice to have Bradley around. This is the worst home plate umpiring performance I've seen all year. He's been bad to both teams. agreed
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 27, 2014 14:48:00 GMT -5
I see two different issues with his delivery. At times he over throws his fastball which causes it to run up and in to righties (away to lefties). Other times he appears to be over-aiming the pitch causing it to go down and in to lefties (away to righties). Both are related to his inability to repeat his delivery, but there are two separate issues IMO. I think you've got it nailed. These are the issues he's been wrestling with from watching him in the ML. The limited video I've seen from his minor league appearances didn't seem as extreme, but I definitely noticed it watching in person. Add: ...quite a few times, he didn't get complete follow through on the delivery, trying to overpower hitters, his arm recoiling back from the effort, the ball veering up and in to righthanders.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 27, 2014 14:54:39 GMT -5
But doesn't it kinda have to be an issue that he doesn't face as often given that his walk rate is down to 8.6% in AAA?
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Jul 27, 2014 14:55:13 GMT -5
Webster looks like he has improved some but he still can't keep the ball down. If he could do that he'd be a Chris Archer. Archer walked between 4-5.3 batters per game quite often in the minors but now he's a semi stud. I don't want to give up on Webster but at minimum his stock has gone up some to me in the past year and he's worth something in terms of trade value still. If we get a good offer trade him but at least he has a chance of being a solid #2-3.
Sometimes I think Boston is trying to completely retool their pitching staff and just go with Lackey and Buchholz next year and the rest prospects. I know that is not likely but they are stock piling pitching like crazy.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 27, 2014 14:56:22 GMT -5
In 35 1/3 MLB innings, Allen Webster has 23 walks and a 7.90 ERA. That proves, at least for now, that he is ineffective as a starter at the MLB level. You were the one pointing to this one game as the evidence we need. No, I've been pleading for the org to get rid of him since last year and would get pilloried whenever I referred to him as "fool's gold." Seriously, I think he has filthy stuff. I also think he should just pitch to contact, which people say he was doing more of in AAA. But today looked like a rerun of the two AAA starts I saw by him live in Pawtucket last year and his 8 MLB starts on TV. Not sure if he's anxious up there, but even if he's not, being unable to repeat delivery is completely mental (i.e mind engages the body to undertake any physical task and build the neural pathways and "muscle memory" to successfully repeat more complex tasks). It's still the same-sized plate and 60 feet, 6 inches away. If the strike zone's been crappy, well, I'm guessing the umps in AAA aren't the robo-umps we deserve, either. Like every other baseball player at every level he has to adjust. And if Webster really struggles with the mechanics then they should have him pitching from the stretch 100% of the time.
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Post by keany on Jul 27, 2014 14:57:29 GMT -5
What's been Nava's line since being brought back from AAA. He's been putting together some nice at bats for a few weeks now.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 27, 2014 15:00:02 GMT -5
He has a .420+ OBP since coming back up. But that's ok, let's send him down in early May after just 70 PAs. One of the dumbest front office moves of this season. Well, that and letting Farrell start Gomes over Nava vs righties.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 27, 2014 15:05:53 GMT -5
What's been Nava's line since being brought back from AAA. He's been putting together some nice at bats for a few weeks now. .345/.421/.397 from 6/4 through the strikeout in the seventh.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jul 27, 2014 15:08:02 GMT -5
With Bradley and Vazquez's defense, we are going to be really strong up the middle. Reports on Marrero are that he is also a good defensive player. Just need to get those bats on the corners. Not sure anyone will have a better up the middle defense than the Red Sox going forward.
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Post by redsox4242 on Jul 27, 2014 15:09:22 GMT -5
Nava is a beast, remember his bases loaded double against Verlander when he was throwing 100 MPH! that was such a great at bat by Nava. great memories!
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Post by Guidas on Jul 27, 2014 15:10:40 GMT -5
With Bradley and Vazquez's defense, we are going to be really strong up the middle. Reports on Marrero are that he is also a good defensive player. Just need to get those bats on the corners. Not sure anyone will have a better up the middle defense than the Red Sox going forward. Completely agree with this. Marrero could be plus in the field and looks to be league average or even a bit better with the bat.
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