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8/2 ML Gameday Thread: Barnes for the PawSox
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 2, 2014 21:27:44 GMT -5
Sam Travis: 3-4, 2B, K
Manny Margot: 3-4, HR(9), RBI, K
T-Stank: 6IP 3H 1ER 1BB 6K
Yoan Aybar: 1-4, 3B(9), 3K
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Post by atzar on Aug 2, 2014 21:34:14 GMT -5
Webster has no control over his best fastball the two seam I believe, its all over the place.. Any other fastball doesn't have any movement, this is what Eckersley was saying last year, it gets hit and hit hard or the batter forces the walk off the two seam. 10 ML Starts and its a walk per IP and a Run per IP. Time is running out on this kid. Its no longer about development after the latter, its about progression and he does not have it going on. I believe he has one more start and that might be it to put something together or Ranaudo probably takes his spot.. He's 24. The only way 'time is running out on this kid' is if somebody else takes his job. I'm looking around and not seeing much job-taking going on at the big league level. Buch and Joe Kelly will likely pitch for the rest of the year (due to seniority more than effectiveness), Rubby has an innings-limit approaching, and once he's shut down you have three spots available for Workman/Webster/Ranaudo. My guess is he gets the chance to pitch through his struggles in Boston for the rest of the year. He'd have to be abysmal (like he was tonight) to get yanked from the rotation, I think. Winning just isn't important enough to this team to have him on such a short leash. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 2, 2014 21:49:47 GMT -5
Saw Sean McAdam for example. Have seen many others cite his total numbers in the big total of 30 innings over his MLB career. The media is always quick to throw a guy away and look for the new toy who hasn't played in the bigs yet, even if they're numbers are worse than the guy they want to get rid of at the same level Damn, that is a quick yank from those guys haha. They are so god damn quick too overreact in this city. It's as if they don't understand the concept of "development" I just went back through my timeline and McAdam was the only one to express this opinion. It was not a collective expression by the beat writers at all. |
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Post by cdj on Aug 2, 2014 21:54:01 GMT -5
Damn, that is a quick yank from those guys haha. They are so god damn quick too overreact in this city. It's as if they don't understand the concept of "development" I just went back through my timeline and McAdam was the only one to express this opinion. It was not a collective expression by the beat writers at all. For that I am glad. Gotta be patient with the youth for the rest of this year. I mean, what is their to lose? We found out some aren't what we hoped they were? Meanwhile if we let Webster get acclimated he might be the best out of all of our pitching prospects (best case scenario) |
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Post by mredsox89 on Aug 2, 2014 21:55:57 GMT -5
Damn, that is a quick yank from those guys haha. They are so god damn quick too overreact in this city. It's as if they don't understand the concept of "development" I just went back through my timeline and McAdam was the only one to express this opinion. It was not a collective expression by the beat writers at all. It's people except the beat writers, as I said. McAdam was the only one I saw today, but I saw many the last time he had one of these multi walk starts. It's a feeling among many fans that just gets "confirmed" when people like McAdam make similar statements |
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Post by larrycook on Aug 2, 2014 22:06:36 GMT -5
I tend to think the Barnes outing was an aberration. However it shows me that when all three of his pitches are working he could be outstanding.
If his curveball becomes a decent pitch that he can throw for strikes regardless of the count, without it becoming a beachball then we will have our next homegrown ace.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 2, 2014 22:43:12 GMT -5
If they feel he's ready to contribute, they'll bring him (Barnes) up. As amfox said, he needs to be added in the offseason, and the 40 man crunch has been somewhat alleviated with the 7/31 moves I count 32 players on track to contribute in Boston at some point in September. That assumes Ross and Victorino are done for the year. That leaves plenty of room for the "new class" of Barnes, Swihart, etc after the playoffs. And plenty of room for the "departing free agents": John Ely, Corey Brown, etc. Whatever they wanna do. |
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 3, 2014 1:01:47 GMT -5
7IP, 10/2 K/BB, 106 pitches, 17 swinging strikes. Heck of an outing for Barnes. It was even better that that. Balls in play: 5 popups (3 in foul territory), 4 grounders, and 1 fly ball. Which came on the last batter he faced, so the Clippers didn't get the ball out of the infield until two outs in the 7th. The first nine batters were Ks, Ks, P3, Ks, Ks, P3, Ks, F5, Kc. The technical sabermetric term for this is "sick." |
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 3, 2014 1:20:56 GMT -5
Sam Travis: 3-4, 2B, K Manny Margot: 3-4, HR(9), RBI, KT-Stank: 6IP 3H 1ER 1BB 6K Yoan Aybar: 1-4, 3B(9), 3K Last 11 games: .343 / .452 / .571 (42 PA), raising his line from .256 / .325 / .400 to .266 / .340 / .419. His 43 SO versus 34 BB are pretty remarkable for a 19 y/o in low-A ball. Oh, and BP has him at +14 R/150, and Clay Davenport has him at +23. Of course, that's a big slide from last year, where he was +34 and +29. He's making a case for the top 10, for sure. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 3, 2014 4:14:26 GMT -5
This amazes me, I haven't seen a ton of Barnes but I've yet to see Barnes pitch like that in even short spurts. On the other hand, I have also yet to see Webster melt down as bad as he did today. |
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Post by jimoh on Aug 3, 2014 6:02:21 GMT -5
Webster has no control over his best fastball the two seam I believe, its all over the place.. Any other fastball doesn't have any movement, this is what Eckersley was saying last year, it gets hit and hit hard or the batter forces the walk off the two seam. 10 ML Starts and its a walk per IP and a Run per IP. Time is running out on this kid. Its no longer about development after the latter, its about progression and he does not have it going on. I believe he has one more start and that might be it to put something together or Ranaudo probably takes his spot.. He's 24. The only way 'time is running out on this kid' is if somebody else takes his job. I'm looking around and not seeing much job-taking going on at the big league level. ... Always nice to look back at how Bruce Hurst did in Boston at age 24. 12 hits per nine, with 4ks and 3bbs |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 3, 2014 6:25:13 GMT -5
PawSox ?@pawsox 5m Matt Barnes after pitching 7 hitless, "I was able to command my secondary pretty consistently throughout the night" www.milb.com/multimedia/vpp.jsp?content_id=35037449 … . . . Bumps in the road are the rule not the exception. Of the 12 upper level significant under 26 pitchers amfox1 named, only Owens, Johnson and Diaz have avoided prolonged streaks with considerable issues. |
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Post by godot on Aug 3, 2014 6:33:00 GMT -5
We are nuts. One game and we wet or stain our pants. This game shows what Barnes may be capable of, just as Webster's melt down shows how bad he can be, but are they indicative of what they will actually turn out? Most of us know little compared to the pros, but many think they are the professionals> Give it a rest. Be content to watch and enjoy or cry, as these guys change and develop (or regress). It may be natural and fun to do what we do, but we can't take ourselves as the last word.
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 3, 2014 8:37:06 GMT -5
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