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Post by mredsox89 on Aug 4, 2014 19:39:57 GMT -5
It would/will be very interesting to see a scouting report from tonight, especially if someone hasn't scouted them from before. Can't imagine it being worth much, but still an interesting take when he's at his best
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Aug 4, 2014 19:45:36 GMT -5
90 pitches 9 k 1 hit through 6... Probably a night.
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Post by terriblehondo on Aug 4, 2014 19:51:21 GMT -5
Chaz is tweeting the curve is an easy plus tonight. The knock on him the last scouting report I saw was the curve. It is hard not to get excited about him when all you do is read the box scores. My fingers are crossed that he out performs the scouting reports.
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Post by WindyCityRedSox169 on Aug 4, 2014 19:53:38 GMT -5
It would/will be very interesting to see a scouting report from tonight, especially if someone hasn't scouted them from before. Can't imagine it being worth much, but still an interesting take when he's at his best Sounds like his curveball has been looking terrific tonight which seems to be the key on his ceiling. If that progresses into a 'plus' pitch which it has been classified on Twitter tonight by Chaz does his ceiling go up a notch? With the caveat it is one night and a long way to go for it to be a staple plus pitch when it has been called average quite a bit in scouting reports.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 4, 2014 19:57:36 GMT -5
Danny Mars: 4-7, 2B, RBI, K
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Post by hammerhead on Aug 4, 2014 19:58:14 GMT -5
I'd say that if he can keep the curve as an "easy plus" pitch, with a plus change and a deceptive (but not over-powering) fastball it definitely raises his ceiling. It all depends on him keeping the walks to a minimum. The K's are great, but if he's K-ing a lot of people and walking people his pitch counts will be too high. The best part of that is that he has the stuff to induce weak contact. As soon as he learns to be efficient and pitch more than throw (even more than he already does) the sky's the limit.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 4, 2014 20:00:50 GMT -5
Great start by Owens! Hope he keeps it going!
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Post by 1mpaz10 on Aug 4, 2014 20:02:02 GMT -5
I'd say that if he can keep the curve as an "easy plus" pitch, with a plus change and a deceptive (but not over-powering) fastball it definitely raises his ceiling. It all depends on him keeping the walks to a minimum. The K's are great, but if he's K-ing a lot of people and walking people his pitch counts will be too high. The best part of that is that he has the stuff to induce weak contact. As soon as he learns to be efficient and pitch more than throw (even more than he already does) the sky's the limit. Couldn't have said it any better.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 4, 2014 20:05:59 GMT -5
Columbus Top of the 3rd Carlos Moncrief grounds out, second baseman Justin Henry to first baseman Travis Shaw. Elliot Johnson strikes out swinging. Luke Carlin walks. A walk? Kill the ump! Actually, per Chaz, who's at the game, the 3-2 pitch should have been a strike.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Aug 4, 2014 20:06:51 GMT -5
Brentz making a nice return to Pawtucket in his first two games back so far. Now 4-8 with a 2B and HR. It would be nice if he could have a strong finish to the season and up his stock price a bit on the trade market as a 3rd (or 4th, depending on the deal) piece in a package. As he is blocked even more now.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Aug 4, 2014 20:25:47 GMT -5
Before the season, I thought there were two keys to Owens development: tighten up his control/command, and sharpen up his curveball. He seems to be progressing really well on both of those, if today's reports on his curve are borne out in subsequent looks ... if he continues that, going into next year I'd say adding a fourth pitch to help him against lefties would be the last challenge to try to tackle.
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Post by soxfan06 on Aug 4, 2014 20:29:26 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't Owens made good progress on cutting down the walks this year? Or am I miss remembering?
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Post by larrycook on Aug 4, 2014 20:31:35 GMT -5
Why no update in swihart?
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Post by JackieWilsonsaid on Aug 4, 2014 20:43:00 GMT -5
Brentz making a nice return to Pawtucket in his first two games back so far. Now 4-8 with a 2B and HR. It would be nice if he could have a strong finish to the season and up his stock price a bit on the trade market as a 3rd (or 4th, depending on the deal) piece in a package. As he is blocked even more now. No one with power is going to be blocked.
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Post by jimoh on Aug 4, 2014 20:57:57 GMT -5
I thought Owens always had a slower and a harder curve, but that he had thrown the harder one rarely because a and aa hitters could not hit the soft one. Very interesting night
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 4, 2014 21:19:21 GMT -5
Regardless of scouting reports or results over a prolonged set of time, I guess no one disagrees that Owens constantly makes the most incredible debuts.
I almost feel bad for wanting Daniel Norris over him on that draft night.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 4, 2014 21:33:57 GMT -5
Matt Huegel , who was apparently at the game tonight had these tweets:
@matthuegelsp: Looking through my notes, Owens fastball sat mostly 89-91 mph on McCoy gun, which can run a mph or so hot. A couple 92s mixed in and one 94.
@matthuegelsp: Gotta say, just heard some of WEEI, and Owens hype train in full force. Would caution that he doesn't project as an ace, more mid-rotation.
More on his Twitter stream. Also said Brentz looked locked in.
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Post by charliezink16 on Aug 4, 2014 21:35:00 GMT -5
I thought Owens always had a slower and a harder curve, but that he had thrown the harder one rarely because a and aa hitters could not hit the soft one. Very interesting night From tonight's Brian MacPherson piece: "Owens was dealing with runners at first and third and two outs in the sixth inning when he engaged Columbus infielder Giovanny Urshela in his toughest battle of the night. He threw back-to-back curveballs around 70 miles per hour to get ahead in the count and then a pair of fastballs, another curveball at 80, and then two mid-70s changeup to get a soft fly ball to left field to end the inning. www.providencejournal.com/sports/pawtucket-red-sox/content/20140804-henry-owens-dazzles-in-triple-a-debut.ece#.dpufCan a scout put a grade on each curveball and look at them as two different pitches? Could this be counted as a potential 4th pitch, or are they just similar varieties of one pitch?
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 4, 2014 21:55:12 GMT -5
Myles Smith - 5IP, 4H, 1R, 0ER, 1/2 K/BB
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Post by alnipper on Aug 4, 2014 22:58:58 GMT -5
I remember another lefty with a low 90's fastball, great change, and an average curve. His name was Tom Glavine. I am not saying Owens is as good or will be as good as Glavine, but a few ticks on a fastball can be overrated. Owens needs to get better at his control and his command. If he does then we'll have a number 2.
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Post by WindyCityRedSox169 on Aug 4, 2014 23:03:41 GMT -5
I remember another lefty with a low 90's fastball, great change, and an average curve. His name was Tom Glavine. I am not saying Owens is as good or will be as good as Glavine, but a few ticks on a fastball can be overrated. Owens needs to get better at his control and his command. If he does then we'll have a number 2. Isn't that basically what his scouting report says?
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Post by larrycook on Aug 4, 2014 23:05:26 GMT -5
I remember another lefty with a low 90's fastball, great change, and an average curve. His name was Tom Glavine. I am not saying Owens is as good or will be as good as Glavine, but a few ticks on a fastball can be overrated. Owens needs to get better at his control and his command. If he does then we'll have a number 2. I think a certain level of command is a must have for any major league starting pitcher that hopes to be successful.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 5, 2014 0:59:01 GMT -5
I thought Owens always had a slower and a harder curve, but that he had thrown the harder one rarely because a and aa hitters could not hit the soft one. Very interesting night From tonight's Brian MacPherson piece: "Owens was dealing with runners at first and third and two outs in the sixth inning when he engaged Columbus infielder Giovanny Urshela in his toughest battle of the night. He threw back-to-back curveballs around 70 miles per hour to get ahead in the count and then a pair of fastballs, another curveball at 80, and then two mid-70s changeup to get a soft fly ball to left field to end the inning. www.providencejournal.com/sports/pawtucket-red-sox/content/20140804-henry-owens-dazzles-in-triple-a-debut.ece#.dpufCan a scout put a grade on each curveball and look at them as two different pitches? Could this be counted as a potential 4th pitch, or are they just similar varieties of one pitch? BrooksBaseball classifies Yu Darvish's curve and slow curve as two different pitches, ditto Zack Greinke (although he almost never throws the slow one).
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Post by danr on Aug 5, 2014 1:57:43 GMT -5
Owens now is close enough to the show that maybe it doesn't make sense anymore to project his future potential. He is going to show what it is very soon.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 5, 2014 3:48:31 GMT -5
I had to leave for the day just after I typed about the third inning. I forgot to add that the groundout in the third was an impressive pitch. 1-2 count 91 FB that I thought was going to middle middle the plate. Instead it faded heavily arm side and he ended up sawing off the bat of a lefty hitter.
As I said the curve was the best I've seen it and I've seen a lot of Henry. In the first 3 innings he was primarily using the faster version which breaks downward, maybe 11-5. I didn't see the other curve which is slower and is a roundhouse or slurvy curve that sometimes buckles batters knees. I didn't see every pitch, maybe 80-90 %. I also didn't see any of the PawSox ABs.
Nothing I see above or in tweets is different from what I saw.
Top to bottom... 59 total innings, 7 earned runs.
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