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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 6, 2015 12:56:48 GMT -5
From everything that I can remember reading, the Aiken injury situation might not be the typical (or hoped) TJ surgery and good as new type of thing.
So the Red Sox might be extremely hesitant to pick a guy who goes the way of Andy Yount (you might recall he didn't have TJ surgery but rather accidentally cut up his hand really bad) or so it seems from what I've read.
If the Aiken injury was a typical TJ surgery I would think, given how light the talent is regarded, a risk they would take, but if they're not being rumored as taking it, odds are there is a lot more to his injury that has teams worried.
Of course, the key word is rumored, but if the Sox are going after Aiken, they've done a good job keeping it quiet. Seems like they've been all over Bregman and Fulmer?
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Post by James Dunne on May 6, 2015 13:21:52 GMT -5
Last year? He was the unquestioned 1-1. . No he wasn't. Lots of people had Rodon and/or Kolek higher than him. It wasn't a Harper/Strasburg year where there was a consensus top player. It was an open question right up to draft day who the Astros would take with the pick. That said, depending on what Aiken wants for a bonus, I would be all over him at #7 too.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 6, 2015 13:25:22 GMT -5
Kyler Murray, the toolsy Texas A&M football recruit, opted out of the MLB draft, per his own twitter handle. This technically isn't a thing, so he'll get picked late and just not sign. Just using his own words. Some would say it's similar to Josh Bell's stance before the 2011 draft, although back then it was easier to lure players back from that decision. Now there is 0% chance he signs...but if Johnny Football can get drafted, he probably will too.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 6, 2015 13:38:42 GMT -5
This technically isn't a thing, so he'll get picked late and just not sign. Just using his own words. Some would say it's similar to Josh Bell's stance before the 2011 draft, although back then it was easier to lure players back from that decision. Now there is 0% chance he signs...but if Johnny Football can get drafted, he probably will too. So, turns out I was kind of wrong: www.baseballamerica.com/draft/two-sport-star-murray-opts-draft/
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Post by templeusox on May 6, 2015 14:24:59 GMT -5
Aiken is not good.
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Post by borisman on May 6, 2015 15:12:56 GMT -5
We know Aiken is not well, but not good? What gives?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 6, 2015 15:15:34 GMT -5
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 6, 2015 15:49:45 GMT -5
@keithlaw: Dave Stewart is in upstate New York today to watch Garrett Whitley #StewWatch
It seems like the DBacks really could go "off the board" at the top. He was also scouting GA HS C Tyler Stephenson. Kiley mentioned in his chat that he could be in the top 10.
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Post by texs31 on May 6, 2015 16:30:38 GMT -5
FWIW, Law has them ranked 8th(Whitley) and 17th(Stephenson). Others (MLB, FanGraphs and Baseball America) have them further down in their most recent rankings.
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Post by borisman on May 6, 2015 16:34:05 GMT -5
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 6, 2015 16:50:45 GMT -5
FWIW, Law has them ranked 8th(Whitley) and 17th(Stephenson). Others (MLB, FanGraphs and Baseball America) have them further down in their most recent rankings. Yeah that's why I put "off the board" in quotes. I think boards will be pretty uneven this year, some might have it like Law while others will differ. I just meant to highlight it because there seemed to be a top 3 developing with Rogers, Tate and Swanson.
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Post by nomar on May 6, 2015 16:52:24 GMT -5
Be a rebel AZ.
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 6, 2015 17:31:41 GMT -5
@kileymcd: Phillies GM Ruben Amaro is also here to see GA prep C Tyler Stephenson.
4 scouting directors were also present.
Stephenson went deep in this game.
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Post by alex710707 on May 6, 2015 19:33:34 GMT -5
I am in the draft Aiken (please!) boat. Last year? He was the unquestioned 1-1. I understand he had a different tj surgery than most...but in a draft this thin of high end talent, where once the top 4 or so are gone, it really is about the next best available...which in stronger drafts, most of the 6-15 prospects wouldn't even make the first round. So please dear jebus (and yes I meant to say jebus) draft the kid who can (potentially) be the next great ace of the RS for the next 15 years. I obviously say this with the thought that the RS will do their due diligence on his medical. There are a few of us on here who are totally with you. I like Bregman, for example, but a solid 2nd baseman (I think he may end up there) is not close to being equal to a possible #2 starter. I will say it all the way to June 5th. go for Aiken or Allard. High-end lefty starters are always difficult to find. Allard doesn't look like a high-end starter. I would take Mike Nikorak instead.
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Post by whoareyoukarimgarcia on May 6, 2015 19:55:08 GMT -5
Not saying they wouldn't grab Bregman if he is still available at #7, but with our history of grabbing middle infielders in IFA, I can't see them not trying to get a top end P in the draft. I am not advocating Aiken, but does anyone know what his progress is at this point?
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Post by James Dunne on May 6, 2015 20:18:55 GMT -5
Not saying they wouldn't grab Bregman if he is still available at #7, but with our history of grabbing middle infielders in IFA, I can't see them not trying to get a top end P in the draft. I am not advocating Aiken, but does anyone know what his progress is at this point? His surgery was only six weeks ago. He's almost certainly not doing anything with the elbow beyond range-of-motion stuff. Playing catch in September would be on the aggressive end of the timetable.
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 6, 2015 22:11:36 GMT -5
Allard is 17, one of the youngest players in the draft. Already up to the mid 90s with good secondary stuff and despite being young has as much experience a 17 y/o pitcher could have pitching for team USA and at various highly scouted events. Nikorak throws harder, and I definitely like him having mentioned it multiple times in this thread but let's not make it sound like Allard is not a high ceiling player in his own right. If it wasn't for the injury he'd probably be thought of as the clear cut best HS pitcher and confortably in the mix for a top 5 pick. Edit: BTW Stephenson has some bat speed and HR pimpin' ability: vine.co/v/eZxwjzmrt61
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Post by mookiemagicfan on May 7, 2015 8:57:07 GMT -5
My only concern with someone outside of Aiken, is that in HS most kids can't hit the 95+mph fb...so that's what they mostly throw... In Aiken's case, he had already proved to many scouts that he has plus secondaries. To me, outside of fastball COMMAND that is very effin important. Control is one thing, but being able to command that 95+ fb in the zone (quality strikes) has to be the number 1 factor of grading out a HS pitcher.
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Post by jimed14 on May 7, 2015 9:17:47 GMT -5
There are very few HS pitchers that can command anything. But if they're throwing 95, it doesn't matter one bit. They can throw all of them right down the middle and strike everyone out.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 7, 2015 10:11:26 GMT -5
Updated Top 100 from BA: www.baseballamerica.com/draft/top-100-draft-prospects/?hootPostID=8e05503e8e6e76a32c3f6db2aa55234d1. Brendan Rodgers ss Lake Mary (Fla.) HS 2. Dansby Swanson ss Vanderbilt 3. Dillon Tate rhp UC Santa Barbara 4. Kyle Funkhouser rhp Louisville 5. Alex Bregman ss LSU 6. Daz Cameron of Eagle’s Landing Christian Academy, McDonough, Ga. 7. Carson Fulmer rhp Vanderbilt 8. Garrett Whitley of Niskayuna (N.Y.) HS 9. Mike Nikorak rhp Stroudsburg (Pa.) HS 10. Kyle Tucker of Plant HS, Tampa
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Post by mookiemagicfan on May 7, 2015 11:26:58 GMT -5
There are very few HS pitchers that can command anything. But if they're throwing 95, it doesn't matter one bit. They can throw all of them right down the middle and strike everyone out. That's my point pretty much. We do need some gas, but gas with control? Where oh where can we get some of that? Haha
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Post by RedSoxStats on May 7, 2015 12:07:32 GMT -5
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Post by jdb on May 7, 2015 12:29:14 GMT -5
Pedro,
Curious what you think of Happ from Cincy? Most reports have us on college guys but I haven't seen much on this board about him.
Also is Trenton Clark moving up?
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Post by pedroelgrande on May 7, 2015 13:38:43 GMT -5
Pedro, Curious what you think of Happ from Cincy? Most reports have us on college guys but I haven't seen much on this board about him. Also is Trenton Clark moving up? I like him a lot. He is a really advance hitter who had some questions about how much power he would hit for, though he showed above avg power potential. This year he's having probably the best offensive season of the top College guys and already has 13 HR. He has also hit in the cape so the bat is as tested as it can be at this stage. Now the big question mark is where he ends up defensively as he has played all over the field. Most think he ends up in a corner and now he's showing the power to profile there. If they want to play it "safe" and Bregman is off the board then Happ might be a possibility for a bit of a discount I would think. On Clark: He had a really strong summer with team USA outshining Daz Cameron in various tournaments. I haven't heard much about him recently so don't know if he's moving up. He seemed to be more of a polished HS kid than your toolsy type so guys like Tucker and Whitely who have more tools may have passed him on some boards for teams that like more tools. I think he's around where I thought he would be in the middle of the 1st round.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 7, 2015 13:56:45 GMT -5
Pedro, Curious what you think of Happ from Cincy? Most reports have us on college guys but I haven't seen much on this board about him. Also is Trenton Clark moving up? I like him a lot. He is a really advance hitter who had some questions about how much power he would hit for, though he showed above avg power potential. This year he's having probably the best offensive season of the top College guys and already has 13 HR. He has also hit in the cape so the bat is as tested as it can be at this stage. Now the big question mark is where he ends up defensively as he has played all over the field. Most think he ends up in a corner and now he's showing the power to profile there. If they want to play it "safe" and Bregman is off the board then Happ might be a possibility for a bit of a discount I would think. On Clark: He had a really strong summer with team USA outshining Daz Cameron in various tournaments. I haven't heard much about him recently so don't know if he's moving up. He seemed to be more of a polished HS kid than your toolsy type so guys like Tucker and Whitely who have more tools may have passed him on some boards for teams that like more tools. I think he's around where I thought he would be in the middle of the 1st round. I think I remember Kiley McDaniel saying he has good upside at the plate, but probably a LF down the road.
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