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2015 Draft Discussion
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Post by sammo420 on Jun 3, 2015 14:06:58 GMT -5
In a situation where Tate and Fulmer are both available at #7, and Benintendi was struck by a bus/bitten by a shark, and any other viable option that can be used for discrediting the original question becomes a non viable option, who would you prefer? Tate for me I'd think that's the answer for most of us.
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Post by Guidas on Jun 3, 2015 14:42:06 GMT -5
I certainly agree that those guys appear to be the best post-10th round haul the club has come away with from a draft since at least 2007. It really is striking when you look back - I had a hard time finding more than one or two guys who ranked in the top 30 as four of these five do. But let's keep in mind that none project as major league regulars (or in Gunkel's case, he's a bullpen arm). It's great value that they got them late, but it's not like they're better prospects than Ball or Stankiewicz. You can see why each fell, still: Asuaje - That pop from last year is looking to be a mirage, as predicted by those who saw him. He's a utility guy who can't play short. Gunkel - Gets absolutely killed by LHB - he's Masterson-lite (He also probably fell from not being at a DI school, but West Chester was the alma mater of the scout who signed him) Witte - He's hitting but he's old and the numbers really don't match the scouting at all. I'm at least watching to see what he does now when he gets to AAA, but I'm doubtful there's anything here. Dubon - It's still a utility profile, although he's looking legitimately like a sleeper who everyone missed on. I wonder about how he'll handle pitching at higher levels though. Limited look, but when I saw him he definitely had to get started early to catch up to above-average heat, and that will eventually kill him when he sees better breaking balls if he still needs to do it. Longhi - Fell in part due to signability. Still not showing the power necessary to stick at first, although jury's out. I think that's a large part of why he's playing mostly RF right now, as sticking in the outfield puts less pressure on the bat. I'll admit this is dwelling on their weaknesses. I do like them in the roles they project to fill. It was a nice draft in that sense. I also think part of the issue is that the club got NOTHING in 2011 or 2012 after the 10th round. Just absolutely nothing. It really does seem like it took them some time to figure this system out. Last year's post-10th round haul looks like it could be even better (Whitson, Beeks, Shepherd, Procyshen, Kemp are all intriguing. So you're saying that, unless Ball pans out, the Sox blew this draft pretty badly?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 3, 2015 15:39:25 GMT -5
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Post by GyIantosca on Jun 4, 2015 7:32:44 GMT -5
I love the piece on the draft. I was waiting for that. You guys do a good job of picking a few prospects. In a perfect world who would the Sox take Fullmer or Tate.
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Post by jdb on Jun 4, 2015 9:29:37 GMT -5
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Post by dominicansoxfan on Jun 4, 2015 9:53:56 GMT -5
I'm a fan of BPA, but I also believe at this draft position the high risk and high reward is the correct approach. My favorites are all pitchers and some are not ranked by others as high but I'm not a scout. Dillion Tate Ashe Russell Carson Fulmer Tyler Jay Kolby Allard Brady Aiken Walker Burhler Beau Burrows Justin Hooper Michael Matuella Mike Nikorak Kyle Funkhouser Dakota Chalmers (delivery is effortless) Donny Everett
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Post by myleskennefick on Jun 4, 2015 9:56:47 GMT -5
Any word on where Nick Shumpert is expected to go?
I'd like to see the Sox take Allard if Tate and Fullmer are gone
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Post by kman22 on Jun 4, 2015 9:57:04 GMT -5
At this rate, that's also good news for us.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 4, 2015 10:05:11 GMT -5
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 4, 2015 10:05:33 GMT -5
I love the piece on the draft. I was waiting for that. You guys do a good job of picking a few prospects. In a perfect world who would the Sox take Fullmer or Tate. I asked this question earlier hoping it would get the attention of people who are more knowledgeable in draft matters than I. My draft knowledge comes from reading a collaboration of public scouting reports, and aligning them with my biases and context, to create a worthless "just for fun" opinion. With that disclaimer, I like Fulmer better. It is based on the hope that the knocks on him could be superficial (size, high effort delivery, workload), and bonus that the player that he is today probably isn't that far off from an high potential MLB reliever right now.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 4, 2015 10:07:57 GMT -5
Keith Law new mock
Boston takes Benintendi.
Top four:
Swanson Bregman Rodgers Tate
No Aiken (health), Cameron ($ demands) in 1st round
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Post by nomar on Jun 4, 2015 10:21:16 GMT -5
Keith Law new mock Boston takes Benintendi. Top four: Swanson Bregman Rodgers Tate No Aiken (health), Cameron ($ demands) in 1st round Who does he have the Cubs taking? The Cameron thing is interesting.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 4, 2015 10:24:22 GMT -5
I love the piece on the draft. I was waiting for that. You guys do a good job of picking a few prospects. In a perfect world who would the Sox take Fullmer or Tate. I asked this question earlier hoping it would get the attention of people who are more knowledgeable in draft matters than I. My draft knowledge comes from reading a collaboration of public scouting reports, and aligning them with my biases and context, to create a worthless "just for fun" opinion. With that disclaimer, I like Fulmer better. It is based on the hope that the knocks on him could be superficial (size, high effort delivery, workload), and bonus that the player that he is today probably isn't that far off from an high potential MLB reliever right now. The knocks on Fulmer are most certainly not superficial. He is 6' and his delivery is high effort (it's easy to see even if you are not an expert). The question really is if he can make that work against more advance hitters. He has been able to so far so it gives you hope that he will continue to succeed. He has improved during college, toning down a huge head whack he had and slowing down a little bit so he has shown the ability to make adjustments already. I personally like Tate a little more because his delivery is a little more conventional, though some might say it's high effort as well, and because I like his fast ball/slider combo more. I'd be happy with either really but just a tad more happy with Tate.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 4, 2015 10:29:38 GMT -5
Keith Law new mock Boston takes Benintendi. Top four: Swanson Bregman Rodgers Tate No Aiken (health), Cameron ($ demands) in 1st round Who does he have the Cubs taking? The Cameron thing is interesting. He has the Cubs taking Tyler Jay.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 4, 2015 10:52:25 GMT -5
I asked this question earlier hoping it would get the attention of people who are more knowledgeable in draft matters than I. My draft knowledge comes from reading a collaboration of public scouting reports, and aligning them with my biases and context, to create a worthless "just for fun" opinion. With that disclaimer, I like Fulmer better. It is based on the hope that the knocks on him could be superficial (size, high effort delivery, workload), and bonus that the player that he is today probably isn't that far off from an high potential MLB reliever right now. The knocks on Fulmer are most certainly not superficial. He is 6' and his delivery is high effort (it's easy to see even if you are not an expert). The question really is if he can make that work against more advance hitters. He has been able to so far so it gives you hope that he will continue to succeed. He has improved during college, toning down a huge head whack he had and slowing down a little bit so he has shown the ability to make adjustments already. I personally like Tate a little more because his delivery is a little more conventional, though some might say it's high effort as well, and because I like his fast ball/slider combo more. I'd be happy with either really but just a tad more happy with Tate. I said " the hope the knocks on him could be superficial". I think we're saying similar things, I just do a poor job of representing my opinion most of the time. I think he has been successful despite his height and delivery, and I hope he could continue to do so with development. I'd be happy with either Tate or Fulmer, just a tad more happy with Fulmer. (see previous disclaimers)
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Post by jrffam05 on Jun 4, 2015 11:59:32 GMT -5
Another question directed at the people who know more about the draft, what kind of bonus will Benintendi command/ask for? Seems like he is an underslot guy at #7 based on previous rankings, but he also has leverage being an sophomore on the rise.
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Post by amfox1 on Jun 4, 2015 12:24:14 GMT -5
Another question directed at the people who know more about the draft, what kind of bonus will Benintendi command/ask for? Seems like he is an underslot guy at #7 based on previous rankings, but he also has leverage being an sophomore on the rise. Slot, most likely. He's generally considered in the 7-11 area and, as you noted, he has leverage. However, he likely never expected to end up as a top ten pick, so there may be a little room to negotiate. CHC's slot is $3.35mm. CIN's slot is $3.14mm. But I think he still gets slot. Note that the #7 pick represents 57.7% of the entire Red Sox draft pool.
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Post by jdb on Jun 4, 2015 12:55:34 GMT -5
I think he's a slot guy to but in the ESPN draft team preview I linked a few weeks back they said he could cut a deal.
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Post by jimoh on Jun 4, 2015 13:12:37 GMT -5
This will be familiar to many of you, and no doubt had been mentioned earlier, but because Fullmer could be our pick just for fun I went back and read a story on the small, violent Tim Lincecum before the 2006 draft. Concern for his size and his motion, but also the compensating factor that he is a "freak" of an athlete. sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2453860"scouts reportedly continue to show concern regarding the size of Lincecum. It's a situation that is hardly new for Lincecum. "[Scouts] talk about my size, or the lack thereof," Lincecum said. "So I have to deal with that. It's something I've had to deal with pretty much my whole life. But it hasn't been too bad." Knutson feels like Lincecum's performance should outweigh any concerns about his small frame. "I think he's answered all of those questions this season," Knutson said. "He's really strong. I think he has less chance of getting hurt, because of his [delivery] style." Lincecum's mechanics are another part of his game that scouts are not used to seeing. As he and his coach describe it, he recoils at the start of his delivery, turning his back to the plate. Putting his entire body in motion, and with a long stride to the plate, Lincecum then unwinds his body as he throws."
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 4, 2015 14:57:33 GMT -5
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Post by Guidas on Jun 4, 2015 15:04:14 GMT -5
Who does he have the Cubs taking? The Cameron thing is interesting. He has the Cubs taking Tyler Jay.But that's who I want the Sox to take, so - sorry Theo.
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Post by jdb on Jun 4, 2015 15:57:07 GMT -5
Agree on Jay. I'd go Tate,Jay then Fulmer.
Bowden was talking about the overall quality and depth of the draft on Inside Pitch and he spoke with two scouting directors today who said while the depth is pretty good they wouldn't take any of the SS over Trea Turner from last year who went 13.
Seems like a bad year to be up top with out any picks in the supplemental rounds.
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Post by azblue on Jun 4, 2015 16:50:56 GMT -5
Should the Sox choose the most difficult sign at 7, offer him 40% of slot and hope that he turns the money down (as a strategy to obtain the 8th pick in the 2016 draft)?
Perhaps that option will be considered when Boston sees who is left on the board when their turn to select comes up. If the Sox are less than excited about who remains, I would not be opposed to, for example, drafting Aiken, offering the minimum and hoping to either sign him cheap (not likely) or get the No. 8 in 2016.
Risks--they surprisingly sign Aiken for 40% of slot and he does not develop as an elite prospect or they pay around slot for the No. 8 pick in 2016 and he turns out to be a bust.
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Post by mannofsteele on Jun 4, 2015 17:28:26 GMT -5
Is Benintendi a safe pick, to the point where they might be protecting themselves from the ramifications of the Trey Ball pick. Even if Ball is still very young in the process.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 4, 2015 17:40:13 GMT -5
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