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2015 Draft Discussion
nomar
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Post by nomar on Jun 6, 2015 22:16:28 GMT -5
Fullmer impressed during his 6.1 shutout innings but his coach abused him allowing Fulmer to toss 121 pitches in his last start before the draft. He came close to falling apart during this last inning. His funky fast leg kick must help his deception. My gut feeling is that they still should prefer a high risk low mileage HS athlete like Whitley to a high mileage low risk college pitcher. I'd wager that there's less than a 1% chance we took Whitley. |
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 7, 2015 2:06:32 GMT -5
Latest summary. I think most of these sources plan to do a final mock Monday morning. I've omitted SI's, which hasn't been updated. JS = Sickels.
Team BA MLB FG BP JS KL
Date 5-Jun 5-Jun 5-Jun 5-Jun 5-Jun 4-Jun
Ari Stephe. Swanson Swanson Swanson Swanson Swanson
Hou Swanson Bregman Bregman Bregman Bregman Bregman
Col Jay Rodgers Rodgers Jay Jay Rodgers
Tex Rodgers Cameron Tate Tate Rodgers Tate
Hou Cameron Tucker Tucker Rodgers Tucker Tucker
Min Tucker Jay Cameron Buehler Cameron Allard
Bos Bregman Fulmer Benint. Benint. Fulmer Benint.
ChA Fulmer Tate Fulmer Fulmer Tate Fulmer
ChN Harris Benint. Jay Tucker Buehler Jay
Phi Tate Harris Stephe. Happ Stephe. Newman
Cin Benint. Stephe. Happ Stephe. Happ Whitley
Mia Clark Clark Clark Cameron Clark Clark
TB Kaprie. Buehler Harris Clark Bickfo. Buehler
Other players mentioned as possibilities for us: Tate, Cameron, Tucker, Jay, Aiken. Based on these mocks, it seems certain that one of the first four will be available (two if the Snakes really fo for Stephenson), in that order of likelihood (except Jay more so than Tucker). While most of the mockers are trying to figure out whether we like Fulmer or Benindenti more, the usually unasked question is whether we really have one of them higher on our draft board than Tate (whom we pass over in half of these mocks), Cameron (whom we pass over in one or two -- KL plans to reinsert him somewhere on Monday), and Tucker (whom we pass over in one).
(Everyone agrees it's Bregman if he falls that far, and Jay is considered a longshot.)
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Post by supersquid on Jun 7, 2015 3:10:21 GMT -5
Great stuff as always, also loved the Run the Jewels And Kendrick transition music. |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 7, 2015 9:12:18 GMT -5
I was wondering the same thing too eric... What if Tate and Fulmer are both available?
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Post by stevedillard on Jun 7, 2015 9:41:11 GMT -5
So, if I have this correct, there is a first block of three players (Swanson, Bregman, Rodgers) extremely unlikely to be at 7. There is another group of three somewhat unlikely to be there (Tate, Tucker, Jay). Then there is a group of Fulmer, Cameron, Benindenti from which we will pick, unless one of the first six drops to us, which most view as being good. edit: and watching all of one inning of a college game this year, I decided I liked Nolan Brown, the CF for TCU. Apparently, BA doesn't share my view that he is the next Ellsbury  as they omitted him from the top 500. |
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Post by boomer on Jun 7, 2015 9:43:06 GMT -5
Fullmer impressed during his 6.1 shutout innings but his coach abused him allowing Fulmer to toss 121 pitches in his last start before the draft. He came close to falling apart during this last inning. His funky fast leg kick must help his deception. My gut feeling is that they still should prefer a high risk low mileage HS athlete like Whitley to a high mileage low risk college pitcher. I'd wager that there's less than a 1% chance we took Whitley. There is a 100% chance that the Sox will pick who they like best at #7. There is a 0% chance they will pick anyone else. None of us really know anything about projecting talent although anyone can evaluate a prospect's use, abuse and mileage. This is what bothered me about Fulmer's outing last night. The MLB amateur draft is much more of a crap shoot than in other sports. Sometimes what seem like early first round reaches turn out to be among the best choices despite passing up other more heralded prospects from the mock drafts. Most recently, Schwarber with the Cubs was criticized as a "reach" where he was drafted but, in hindsight, he could be the best pick of all in that draft. Trout, Clemens, Ellsbury and Pedroia should have been among if not the top picks in their draft years despite where they were picked. If any of them had been picked in the top 10 in their years, the pundits would have howled at those "reach" choices. Given what has been put out there about Whitley's athleticism and makeup, he has become my binky for the Sox at #7. Trout is his dream upside comparison but, more realistically, he reminds me of fellow northerner Westmoreland whose career was so tragically blunted. There is nothing wrong with picking a superbly athletic Sox fan (which Whitley is already) in their position. |
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 7, 2015 9:55:21 GMT -5
I think it is definitely Andrew Benantanendi.  Nice job on the draft podcast Chris and Ian. Informative for us guys that might not follow this stuff as much. Thanks. |
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jun 7, 2015 10:40:50 GMT -5
I think it is definitely Andrew Benantanendi. Nice job on the draft podcast Chris and Ian. Informative for us guys that might not follow this stuff as much. Thanks. I have, over the last 2 days, come over to choosing Benindenti. We really could use a young lefty outfielder in the system with some potential power. He seems to have few weaknesses and he looks like someone who could not only stay in center, but be above average. I've been searching all my life for the next Freddy Lynn. I know.....it is big reach, but the way he plays center reminds me somewhat of a Jim Edmonds (or a Lynn). Not sure if his power is for real, but he does have a great swing. I acknowledge you never pick for need, especially in the 1st several rounds.....but he could be just about ready when the next great Sox team is mature and ready to take off. I could see Betts in right in this scenario. Anyway, the way it seems to be playing out, Andrew Benindenti could be a real nice get for us. |
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Post by jimoh on Jun 7, 2015 12:12:57 GMT -5
Just thinking about Georgia Tech OF Mark Fischer, 1st round supp pick who hit 24 hrs as s junior
"Now 32, Fischer has worked for five years in sales for Zimmer, a company that makes orthopaedic implants and fracture management products. "We sell total joint replacements to orthopedic surgeons, and sell trauma products," said Fischer, who's also been married nearly five years to his wife, Allison."
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 7, 2015 12:38:24 GMT -5
Does Bentintendi's power really have plus potential? I see it graded as average or slightly above average, with an average arm. I'm no expert but fulmer, tate or January seem more intriguing.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jun 7, 2015 12:40:35 GMT -5
McDaniel's a big Fullmer guy, obviously, but I'm buying what he's selling ... he really does seem like one of those guys that is undervalued because of some faulty reasoning and preconceived notions. Plus, while you never draft on need blah,blah, I like the idea of Fullmer slotting in to the system with or just ahead of the Kopech/Cosart/Whitson group. There's not much on the starting pitching horizon between Rodriguez/Owens/Johnson/Barnes and that group of very-far-away guys, so getting a guy like Fullmer who profiles as a pretty fast mover would be nice.
But, really, seems like a group of guys all clustered around 7 that would be good picks.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 7, 2015 13:31:22 GMT -5
Tyler Jay will get the start against Vandy today as Illinois is looking to avoid elimination.
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Post by mjammz on Jun 7, 2015 14:47:08 GMT -5
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 7, 2015 15:01:47 GMT -5
How do you have a back up option for the #1 overall draft pick a day before the draft? |
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Post by jdb on Jun 7, 2015 15:29:11 GMT -5
Does Bentintendi's power really have plus potential? I see it graded as average or slightly above average, with an average arm. I'm no expert but fulmer, tate or January seem more intriguing. I think it may be just above average and have seen a 55 grade on it. I forgot where but the article said probably 15-18 HR range with plenty of doubles. That oppo HR yesterday does make you wonder how much is there though. |
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Post by soxfanatic on Jun 7, 2015 15:34:28 GMT -5
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Post by jmei on Jun 7, 2015 15:38:29 GMT -5
It's funny, if the Red Sox were picking in their typical late-round slot, we would all be salivating at the idea of someone like Aiken or Matuella or Bickford falling to us.
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Post by moonstone2 on Jun 7, 2015 15:51:17 GMT -5
Just thinking about Georgia Tech OF Mark Fischer, 1st round supp pick who hit 24 hrs as s junior "Now 32, Fischer has worked for five years in sales for Zimmer, a company that makes orthopaedic implants and fracture management products. "We sell total joint replacements to orthopedic surgeons, and sell trauma products," said Fischer, who's also been married nearly five years to his wife, Allison." Ahhh but does anyone know what Mark Fischer is really famous for? No cheating. |
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Post by mjammz on Jun 7, 2015 15:58:52 GMT -5
How do you have a back up option for the #1 overall draft pick a day before the draft? In case they can't get Swanson to committ to an under slot bonus. |
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Post by moonstone2 on Jun 7, 2015 16:40:13 GMT -5
The real question is if the Six will take the safer option or take some risk and go for ceiling. If they do the latter, the choice is Allard. Allard is a better prosoect than Ball was but the back stuff is scary.
I think they need to end up with a real prosoect out of this draft and should go for a college guy.
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Post by rafael on Jun 7, 2015 16:58:05 GMT -5
If the Sox pick Fulmer, would they consider fast tracking him as a reliever to be used in the playoffs and next year send him to the minors to work as a starter? Of course this would only make any sense if they are still in the playoff race when they decide do that.
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Post by supersquid on Jun 7, 2015 17:37:22 GMT -5
If the Sox pick Fulmer, would they consider fast tracking him as a reliever to be used in the playoffs and next year send him to the minors to work as a starter? Of course this would only make any sense if they are still in the playoff race when they decide do that. No, see Craig Hansen |
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Post by bigpupp on Jun 7, 2015 17:42:43 GMT -5
If the Sox pick Fulmer, would they consider fast tracking him as a reliever to be used in the playoffs and next year send him to the minors to work as a starter? Of course this would only make any sense if they are still in the playoff race when they decide do that. No, see Craig Hansen To add to this, Hansen was signed to to an MLB contract from the draft which is no longer allowed. There is no way the Sox waste an option next year to benefit a dozen or so innings this year. |
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Post by nomar on Jun 7, 2015 17:47:48 GMT -5
Benintendi would be good with me. He doesn't K much, has 55 power and has the speed/instincts for CF. Maybe he outperforms his tools like Joc Pederson, maybe he's an average player.
Hard to choose him vs. Fulmer because I have no clue how risky Fulmer really is. His stuff looks great, but obviously the frame and mechanics will scare some off.
I'll be happy with either and it looks like it will be one or the other barring someone dropping miraculously.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jun 7, 2015 18:10:59 GMT -5
McDaniel appears to one of the few who are high on Fulmer. His delivery appears to be too violent to remain as a MLB starter.
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as they omitted him from the top 500.
Nice job on the draft podcast Chris and Ian. Informative for us guys that might not follow this stuff as much. Thanks.
