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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 8, 2014 20:32:55 GMT -5
I count six (Johnson, Rodriguez, Augliera in addition to the three you mention). Boscan would slide back to the bullpen. My guess is that they'd piggyback Haley, but they may also skip turns to keep innings down. Is it really so bad to go with a 6-man rotation to keep innings down? I have suggested the same for the Red Sox in September. With part of the goal being to get pitchers used to pitching in a five-man rotation, it actually is kind of bad to do that. You're better off just having guys skip a turn, which is how you could utilize having six guys better.
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Post by hammerhead on Aug 8, 2014 20:58:47 GMT -5
Could we have another Betts making noise in the org?
Jordan just hit his 8th HR in Lowell... Don't know too much about the NYPL, but isn't that a pretty decently high number for Lowell.
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Aug 8, 2014 21:20:13 GMT -5
Could we have another Betts making noise in the org? Jordan just hit his 8th HR in Lowell... Don't know too much about the NYPL, but isn't that a pretty decently high number for Lowell. I wouldn't get excited about Jordan Betts until he was challenged at a higher level. He is a fringe prospect at best.
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Post by suttree on Aug 8, 2014 22:10:14 GMT -5
Mookie does not belong in AAA. WTF is the plan?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 8, 2014 22:16:00 GMT -5
Mookie does not belong in AAA. WTF is the plan? Playing everyday ?
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Post by azblue on Aug 8, 2014 22:18:50 GMT -5
Could we have another Betts making noise in the org? Jordan just hit his 8th HR in Lowell... Don't know too much about the NYPL, but isn't that a pretty decently high number for Lowell. I wouldn't get excited about Jordan Betts until he was challenged at a higher level. He is a fringe prospect at best. Have you seen Betts play?
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Post by larrycook on Aug 8, 2014 22:22:37 GMT -5
Could we have another Betts making noise in the org? Jordan just hit his 8th HR in Lowell... Don't know too much about the NYPL, but isn't that a pretty decently high number for Lowell. Let's wait until he faces pitchers that can bend the pitch path, change speeds and hit their spots before passing judgement.
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Post by suttree on Aug 8, 2014 22:27:55 GMT -5
Mookie does not belong in AAA. WTF is the plan? Playing everyday ? If that was the plan they wouldn't keep calling him up to ride the pine for a few days.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 8, 2014 22:53:55 GMT -5
If that was the plan they wouldn't keep calling him up to ride the pine for a few days. Well the thing is that they don't "keep calling him up to ride the pine." He has been called up twice, in the following scenarios: The first time they called him up they were in "last-ditch effort" mode, trying to plug in pieces to see if something could cause a spark. Didn't happen with Betts and they realized that the at-bats weren't there, so he went back down when they tried the same thing with Victorino. If you're not going to try to use guys to win, then why try at all? I've spoken with at least one scout myself, and I've gotten second-hand reports from others, that they'd have recommended calling Betts up as early as Memorial Day when Middlebrooks went on the DL. As you say, it's not that he's not ready. They tried it, didn't work, go back to getting him at-bats. The second time they called him up they needed a warm body for a set period of time of seven days - they knew Johnson was coming off the DL when eligible. Getting a week in the majors isn't going to set his development back. He could at least do things as a defensive replacement and pinch runner that Alex Hassan and Garin Cecchini, the only other healthy non-catcher position players on the 40-man, couldn't, so that's why he was the choice. Note that when Craig went on the DL, they added Brown to the roster to be the bench outfielder for that longer period. They could easily have kept Betts up, but recognized, as you do, that keeping him up for an extended period may be counterproductive. He's not going to rot by getting Triple-A at-bats the rest of the season until September. Worry not.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 8, 2014 23:00:32 GMT -5
If that was the plan they wouldn't keep calling him up to ride the pine for a few days. So is it that you think Mookie will learn more on the bench in Boston rather than playing everyday in Pawtucket or is it that you think Mookie could potentially be the difference maker in a run for the playoffs or is it that you think the Sox should stop seeing what the players getting playing time are capable of for next year ? I'm seriously not seeing the point.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Aug 9, 2014 5:47:34 GMT -5
If that was the plan they wouldn't keep calling him up to ride the pine for a few days. So is it that you think Mookie will learn more on the bench in Boston rather than playing everyday in Pawtucket or is it that you think Mookie could potentially be the difference maker in a run for the playoffs or is it that you think the Sox should stop seeing what the players getting playing time are capable of for next year ? I'm seriously not seeing the point. The best thing for Mookie is to play everyday, probably in center, at Pawtucket to the end of the AAA season (Sept 1?). THEN be a Sept call-up when rosters are expanded. I want him ready for next season and possibly our center fielder in 2015.
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Post by suttree on Aug 9, 2014 9:32:40 GMT -5
If that was the plan they wouldn't keep calling him up to ride the pine for a few days. Well the thing is that they don't "keep calling him up to ride the pine." He has been called up twice, in the following scenarios: The first time they called him up they were in "last-ditch effort" mode, trying to plug in pieces to see if something could cause a spark. Didn't happen with Betts and they realized that the at-bats weren't there, so he went back down when they tried the same thing with Victorino. If you're not going to try to use guys to win, then why try at all? I've spoken with at least one scout myself, and I've gotten second-hand reports from others, that they'd have recommended calling Betts up as early as Memorial Day when Middlebrooks went on the DL. As you say, it's not that he's not ready. They tried it, didn't work, go back to getting him at-bats. The second time they called him up they needed a warm body for a set period of time of seven days - they knew Johnson was coming off the DL when eligible. Getting a week in the majors isn't going to set his development back. He could at least do things as a defensive replacement and pinch runner that Alex Hassan and Garin Cecchini, the only other healthy non-catcher position players on the 40-man, couldn't, so that's why he was the choice. Note that when Craig went on the DL, they added Brown to the roster to be the bench outfielder for that longer period. They could easily have kept Betts up, but recognized, as you do, that keeping him up for an extended period may be counterproductive. He's not going to rot by getting Triple-A at-bats the rest of the season until September. Worry not. I think the first time they didn't really give him enough ABs and the second time he was just a warm body like you said. Then they traded for two guys that further relegate Mookie to AAA. I get the impression Mookie is not part of the plan and they are worried a bad stretch in the majors could hurt his trade value, if only slightly. I mean is Holt really a better player to be evaluating at this point?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 9, 2014 18:33:30 GMT -5
Scott Lauber ?@scottlauber 14m Farrell on JBJ: "We've talked about the players that we're trying to get as best and long a read as we can. Jackie's one of them." #RedSox
In answer to the rhetorical point above, yes Betts is a better player than Holt but that doesn't make him the better player to evaluate. Personally, I think the question to be decided this year is who is our starting center fielder next year. Whoever isn't will bring a nice return. I also think JBJ has more questions than Mookie. That's all opinion though, bottom line is the guys that they want longer looks are in Boston not sitting on a bench.
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Post by hammerhead on Aug 9, 2014 19:28:17 GMT -5
I think Mookie should be playing 3rd base. As much as I want WMB to succeed... He just seems so lost. His pitch recognition is atrocious, he's always getting hurt and he seems to have a little bit of a head issue. Meaning his confidence seems fragile and makes him susceptible to prolonged slumps.
I know that Mookie's arm has been questionable, but if he's being penciled in for RF and CF then he should have enough arm to play 3rd.
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