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Post by soxfan1615 on Sept 6, 2014 6:33:23 GMT -5
Xander Bogaerts should not be moved off SS at any time in the near future. When I've watched him, I've seen huge strides since the beginning of the season, and he looks like an average or slightly below average MLB SS now. We do not need an amazing defensive SS, and Bogaerts looks to be adequate there, and his hitting should be more than adequate in the future (actually, it looks like he's starting to hit well now, although SSS). I'm not convinced Marrero will ever be a major league hitter, and I don't think Bogaerts would actually improve defensively by moving him to 3rd, so I would not pick up a SS. I would leave Xander at SS until he gets old
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Sept 6, 2014 6:52:41 GMT -5
Unless, of course, this season is NOT an aberration, and he either gets moved to the bench/away from the franchise because he isn't producing.
Xander's value as a SS is based almost entirely on a perceived/expected eventual elite bat a a position that struggles to have them. His SS play in the context of the offensive season he's had is that of a fringe major leaguer at best.
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Post by soxfan1615 on Sept 6, 2014 6:57:07 GMT -5
Unless, of course, this season is NOT an aberration, and he either gets moved to the bench/away from the franchise because he isn't producing. Xander's value as a SS is based almost entirely on a perceived/expected eventual elite bat a a position that struggles to have them. His SS play in the context of the offensive season he's had is that of a fringe major leaguer at best. Im confident this season is an aberration, and I think most people are confident too. He hits balls too far to have that low of an ISO. The HRs will come and I expect a reduction in K% too since his plate discipline numbers don't suggest he should be a high K hitter. Also, he should jump up in BABIP given how hard he hits the ball. |
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Post by nothingball on Sept 6, 2014 7:13:04 GMT -5
While Xander has surely made improvement at the SS position, too soon are you forgetting the value of a plus plus defender at short. Stephen Drew flat out saved runs from scoring in the postseason last year with his defensive play, hense the reason he continued to start while being an automatic out at the plate. I would be more content with a 250/300/400 SS with a plus glove, than an plus bat yet league average defender.
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Post by soxfan1615 on Sept 6, 2014 7:19:43 GMT -5
While Xander has surely made improvement at the SS position, too soon are you forgetting the value of a plus plus defender at short. Stephen Drew flat out saved runs from scoring in the postseason last year with his defensive play, hense the reason he continued to start while being an automatic out at the plate. I would be more content with a 250/300/400 SS with a plus glove, than an plus bat yet league average defender. A great defensive SS is a luxury and not a necessity, and. 250/.300/.400 is above average for SS, but you are overrating defense. Ill take runs whichever way I can get them and run prevention is no more important than run scoring. For instance look at Hanley Ramirez. Hes been the 3rd worst defensive SS in baseball and 26% better than the league average hitter, yet hes been more valuable this year than Andrelton Simmons whos been the 3rd best defensive SS but 27% worse than the league average hitter. |
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Post by chavopepe2 on Sept 6, 2014 7:38:39 GMT -5
Xander will be the shortstop next year.
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Sept 6, 2014 7:55:45 GMT -5
Xander will be the shortstop next year. He should have been the shortstop the entire year this year. Major blunder the organization that stunted some of his development. |
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Post by mgoetze on Sept 6, 2014 8:06:16 GMT -5
We do not need an amazing defensive SS This is objectively indisputable (but inadequate as a complete argument). Subjectively, damn I miss Iglesias a lot. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 6, 2014 8:31:04 GMT -5
Unless, of course, this season is NOT an aberration, and he either gets moved to the bench/away from the franchise because he isn't producing. Xander's value as a SS is based almost entirely on a perceived/expected eventual elite bat a a position that struggles to have them. His SS play in the context of the offensive season he's had is that of a fringe major leaguer at best. I wonder if the Nats would trade Bryce Harper for him. I mean, both are 21 year who have struggled some this season and we all know that struggling as a 21 year old in the MLB usually spells DOOM for the dude's career. Maybe a change of scenery would help them both. On a more serious note, his defense wasn't good thus far as a SS (but not atrocious), but was even worse as a 3B. I think the organization tested him to see how he would respond at 3B, he didn't at all, and now he's back at SS and I trust he will stay there. |
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 6, 2014 9:30:48 GMT -5
Unless, of course, this season is NOT an aberration, and he either gets moved to the bench/away from the franchise because he isn't producing. Xander's value as a SS is based almost entirely on a perceived/expected eventual elite bat a a position that struggles to have them. His SS play in the context of the offensive season he's had is that of a fringe major leaguer at best. I mean, both are 21 year who have struggled some this season and we all know that struggling as a 21 year old in the MLB usually spells DOOM for the dude's career. Maybe a change of scenery would help them both. On a more serious note, his defense wasn't good thus far as a SS (but not atrocious), but was even worse as a 3B. I think the organization tested him to see how he would respond at 3B, he didn't at all, and now he's back at SS and I trust he will stay there. If they would, we probably wouldn't want to trade for him. |
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Post by ericmvan on Sept 7, 2014 8:45:41 GMT -5
Unless, of course, this season is NOT an aberration, and he either gets moved to the bench/away from the franchise because he isn't producing. Xander's value as a SS is based almost entirely on a perceived/expected eventual elite bat a a position that struggles to have them. His SS play in the context of the offensive season he's had is that of a fringe major leaguer at best. He hit ... .304 / .395 / .464 in his first 238 PA ( 142 wRC+) .147 / .193 / .212 in his next 250 PA ( 6 wRC+) .357 / .357 / .607 in his last 29 PA (168 wRC+) If you don't think that's inherently aberrational, I'd like to talk to you about an investment opportunity. |
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 7, 2014 9:10:45 GMT -5
He's had the kind of season you'll often see from young players. He had that horrible stretch when word got around that he was susceptible to sliders out of the zone. He was impatient, he is just 21 after all, and kept swinging at them. Once he started laying off of that stuff he started to come around again. That and he hit a lot of balls on the screws but right at people. That's just chance. I think he'll be fine, better than fine.
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Post by soxcentral on Sept 7, 2014 14:43:14 GMT -5
I realize its just 29 PA, but being selectively agressive seems to be the #1 theme of this turnaround. If pitchers start throwing first pitch sliders down and away I wonder if this won't send him into another drop off.
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Post by larrycook on Sept 7, 2014 22:26:09 GMT -5
I still think bogey is an untouchable.
Third base is now the weak spot. And we need two starting pitchers plus a closer.
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Post by jmei on Sept 8, 2014 15:19:41 GMT -5
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