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Post by jrffam05 on Nov 20, 2014 13:02:18 GMT -5
I could understand Kukuk and Denney with the DUI's, you're young, you're partying a little too much, and you make some really bad decisions. Doesn't mean you're not a jerk, but it could of just been a regular night that got out of hand. This is different, this was a preemptive crime with a gun involved. There are a million different things that could of happened and all of it puts the responsibility on the people breaking in. What if one of the people in the house ran? Would they shoot him? What if someone in the house had a gun and started shooting, or a fight for the gun? They had to of plotted some of this out, it wasn't just "Hey, Kukuk, we're going to a rob a house you in?"...."Sure". There had to of been some thought that if things don't go right, someone could be killed, and they still made the decision to go through with it. This wasn't some bar fight, or peeing in public charge, this is a armed home invasion. There shouldn't be any leniency here.
He wanted to be a bad ass, well good. Now he gets to be.
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Post by curiousle on Nov 20, 2014 15:55:00 GMT -5
What a waste!.....I really thought he was an intriguing prospect with killer stuff (no pun intended) The sox don't have to do anything here-let him go to trial and then decide.
Both him and Denny....wow, that's a couple of pretty bright prospects who have now washed out....
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Post by seanleary001 on Nov 20, 2014 17:56:48 GMT -5
Is he? I'd rather have a robber in my bullpen than a rapist (hello, Tampa Bay). Don't we already have a robber in our rotation? who are you talking about?
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 20, 2014 17:58:38 GMT -5
Don't we already have a robber in our rotation? who are you talking about? Clay
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Post by sammo420 on Nov 20, 2014 18:38:33 GMT -5
That's one hell of a crime syndicate we've been drafting lately.
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Post by tonyc on Nov 20, 2014 21:29:38 GMT -5
Off the top of my head one of the worst of this type of incidents for the Redsox..the Bruins had Craig Mctavish kill someone while driving drunk. Fortunately, they released him to Edmonton, where he picked up his career and not only played well and became a coach, but stopped drinking and became a big advocate against it. I'm in the medical field and can tell you that a world conference with lots of research has discredited the former nonsense about a bit of alcohol helping with health- none is best.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 20, 2014 22:20:01 GMT -5
Is he? I'd rather have a robber in my bullpen than a rapist (hello, Tampa Bay). Don't we already have a robber in our rotation? Nah, Clay was just the lookout. Seriously Kukuk is some kind of loser. Gets $800K at a tender young age never having had to work that hard a day in his life and winds up robbing people who have far less than he has.
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Post by Guidas on Nov 20, 2014 22:32:37 GMT -5
This is just sad. All the potential in the world. How did this kid reach this point? Awful.
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Post by dd on Nov 21, 2014 23:34:25 GMT -5
Larger issues like he's a degenerate? Some times people are just bad people and sometimes people have mental illnesses and sometimes people just make bad choices. Sometimes people who are bad people become good people. None of it matters in this forum and it shouldn't matter too much to the Red Sox other than to figure out what they may have missed with him. I don't really care what happens to him, but I hope he doesn't hurt anyone else along the way. This is the second incident where he's put other people's lives at risk and that just can't continue. Please understand, rip, that this is not personal. I do think though that your post is an example of how somebody can get all the details correct and yet miss the real human point entirely. $0.00002
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 22, 2014 18:20:57 GMT -5
I don't take it personal, but just because I choose not to worry about every individual making bad choices and give that person an excuse for making those choices like those decision are not in their control doesn't mean I miss the human element.
The stark reality is that not all people are good and it doesn't mean they have something "wrong" with them.
The greater point is we don't know and people are more worried about Kukuk than they are about the people's whose lives he keeps putting in danger. Why? Because he's a Red Sox prospect with promise? Are you worried about Aaron Hernandez and hoping he gets help?
I hope Kukuk gets help or put away so he stops endangering others not because I'm worried about him.
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Post by rafael on Nov 22, 2014 23:08:00 GMT -5
I think that is stupid enough to drive while you are drunk, but to rob people when you have a 800k bonus is outraging. It's time to release Kukuk
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Post by hkku92 on Nov 30, 2014 15:29:08 GMT -5
I live in lawrence ks and know him and some of the boys personally and I was in shock. I was told by mutual friends Cody was the leader and convinced 3 others to go in with him. Yusef did not go in the house. Kukuk and the other invaders were high on cocaine and whip its. Cody named Yusef upon arrest to get a lesser sentence.
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Post by hkku92 on Nov 30, 2014 15:47:40 GMT -5
What was Kukuk doing surrounding himself with idiots like this shady Yusef Muhammad Kindell character? Video of the self proclaimed rapper: Junior at University of Kansas who majors in petroleum engineering. Not what I'd call an "idiot". So what if he makes music on the side? Very prejudice comment django. Ever think Kukuk is the bad influence?
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Post by chavopepe2 on Nov 30, 2014 17:33:03 GMT -5
Junior at University of Kansas who majors in petroleum engineering. Not what I'd call an "idiot". So what if he makes music on the side? Very prejudice comment django. Ever think Kukuk is the bad influence? This guy took part in an armed robbery that involved pistol whipping of several people. He's an idiot. And your characterization that he was hanging out with the wrong crowd looks to be incorrect. Kukuk likely is the wrong crowd.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 1, 2014 7:47:02 GMT -5
This guy took part in an armed robbery that involved pistol whipping of several people. He's an idiot. And your characterization that he was hanging out with the wrong crowd looks to be incorrect. Kukuk likely is the wrong crowd. yeah, yikes. Just release him now and we don't have to talk about it anymore. It's embarrassing and shameful that he's associated with the team.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Dec 1, 2014 8:09:26 GMT -5
The fact that e was there and in the situation was strike 1. The fact that he RAN away, crossing state lines even after being identified was strike 2. Worst of all? If he was supposedly innocent? He had DAYS to contact authorities, the Sox also and proclaimed such.That is a whiff on strike 3.
He should have been released the day he was/is indicted.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 1, 2014 8:35:20 GMT -5
He doesn't have to be released right away. He's not affecting rosters or anything so there's no point in doing anything but sit and wait.
The reality is pretty much only Red Sox prospect followers even know about this story. Sure it flashed across the news so some others picked it up, but the majority of those people have already forgotten about it and basically none of them are thinking about it or even have wondered what's happening with it.
It's certainly not good for the organization, but it's not some black cloud hanging over their heads. They will release him if the allegations are true once the courts say they are. It's the safest play by them.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Dec 1, 2014 11:20:10 GMT -5
Yeah, it's probably the right course just to wait for more of the legal process to take place, but this is really terrible. I'm usually of the "don't condemn the guy, these are kids who make mistakes" school of thought, but that's for the Drake Brittons of the world. This is bad, real bad, and Kukuk's going to be gone from this team for sure, unless something is very off with this story, and I don't think there is.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 1, 2014 13:54:08 GMT -5
Yeah, don't worry about the fact that he hasn't been released yet. He's not getting paid, he's not on a roster, etc.
Unless something happens between now and the spring, there's no way he will still be with the club.
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Post by elguapo on Dec 1, 2014 17:06:09 GMT -5
I'm usually of the "don't condemn the guy, these are kids who make mistakes" school of thought, but that's for the Drake Brittons of the world. . I guess everyone has to draw the line somewhere, but drunk driving at 60 mph over the posted speed limit in traffic has far greater potential for deadly consequences than even armed robbery. Add - judging the mental state or intent or personal morality of each perpetrator is another matter, but my intent was for people to consider the concrete consequences of each individual's actions on the victims: would you, as a victim, prefer to be intentionally robbed, or unintentionally struck by a drunk driver going over 100 mph? No, Britton didn't happen to hit anyone. But what is the difference between Drake Britton and a similar extreme drunk driver who kills someone, or an entire family? Luck. That's it. He's no better or worse than the unintentional killer doing a long term in the slammer. And probably many of us have endangered lives behind the wheel, driving tired, or high, or drunk, or distracted, though hopefully not to such an extreme degree. Is that the heart of relative leniency toward DUIs? There but for the grace of God go I....
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 1, 2014 18:22:32 GMT -5
I'm usually of the "don't condemn the guy, these are kids who make mistakes" school of thought, but that's for the Drake Brittons of the world. . I guess everyone has to draw the line somewhere, but drunk driving at 60 mph over the posted speed limit in traffic has far greater potential for deadly consequences than even armed robbery. There is a huge difference in the intent of a stupid 20ish male who feels invincible and doesn't think and what Kukuk did.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 1, 2014 18:54:58 GMT -5
No doubt, this is a lot more sinister. What posters need to keep in mind is that there have always been some fearsome characters in sport, including baseball. If you've never read Al Stump's biography of Cobb and you want to get your neurons firing about a truly mean-spirited character, give it a whirl sometime.
The fact that twitter now gives us an electronic billboard that broadcasts globally simply means that there's no "latency" any more. Stuff happens and it's out there immediately. No more three month lag time to massage the media and cover up the tracks. That's what's really changed.
"Stuff" has happened forever, but much of it was conveniently buried, often with the help of reporters who acted as gatekeepers. It wasn't that it didn't exist, it was that we didn't know about it. The gates are wide-open now. It's all on the pulse.
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Post by Guidas on Dec 2, 2014 9:18:26 GMT -5
That's just surreal.
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Post by onbase on Dec 2, 2014 12:00:56 GMT -5
I guess everyone has to draw the line somewhere, but drunk driving at 60 mph over the posted speed limit in traffic has far greater potential for deadly consequences than even armed robbery. There is a huge difference in the intent of a stupid 20ish male who feels invincible and doesn't think and what Kukuk did. There may or may not be an intent difference, but I'm with elguapo - I'd rather be alive and missing some possessions than missing friends or family struck by a vehicle traveling 100mph.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 2, 2014 12:05:51 GMT -5
There is a huge difference in the intent of a stupid 20ish male who feels invincible and doesn't think and what Kukuk did. There may or may not be an intent difference, but I'm with elguapo - I'd rather be alive and missing some possessions than missing friends or family struck by a vehicle traveling 100mph. That isn't the question. We're talking about intent, not results or possible results. It's not a "would you rather?" game. It's a "who is probably a better person?" question. And how can there not be an intent difference? You're saying that Britton wanted to pistol whip a bunch of guys and steal their possessions but instead drove too fast while drunk and failed to hurt anyone?
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