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2012 New England Patriots Season
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Post by jcn92 on Sept 3, 2012 14:37:30 GMT -5
Thread for the Pats season on the new board.
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Post by amfox1 on Sept 3, 2012 22:30:09 GMT -5
Current roster and practice squad eligiblility. Age in parentheses.
After the cuts, only seven players are 30 or older (Brady, Lloyd, Welker, Mankins, Wilfork, Shiancoe and White), while nearly half the roster is under 25 years old.
QB (2): Tom Brady (34), Ryan Mallett (24)
RB/FB (4): Stevan Ridley (23), Danny Woodhead (28), Shane Vereen (23), Brandon Bolden (22)
WR (5): Brandon Lloyd (31), Wes Welker (31), Julian Edelman (26), Matthew Slater (26), Greg Salas (24)
TE (4): Rob Gronkowski (23), Aaron Hernandez (22), Daniel Fells (28), Visanthe Shiancoe (32)
T (4): Nate Solder (24), Sebastian Vollmer (28), Marcus Cannon (24), Nick McDonald (25)
G/C (5): Logan Mankins (30), Dan Connolly (29), Ryan Wendell (26), Donald Thomas (26), Matt Tennant (25)
DL (5): Vince Wilfork (30), Kyle Love (25), Brandon Deaderick (24), Ron Brace (25), Marcus Forston (22)
DE/OLB (6): Rob Ninkovich (28), Chandler Jones (22), Trevor Scott (27), Jermaine Cunningham (24), Jake Bequette (23), Justin Francis (23)
LB (5): Jerod Mayo (26), Dont'a Hightower (22), Brandon Spikes (24), Mike Rivera (26), Tracy White (31)
CB (6): Devin McCourty (24), Kyle Arrington (25), Ras-I Dowling (24), Sterling Moore (22), Marquice Cole (28), Alfonzo Dennard (22)
S (4): Patrick Chung (24), Steve Gregory (29), Tavon Wilson (22), Nate Ebner (22)
ST (3): Stephen Gostkowski (28) (K), Zoltan Mesko (26) (P), Danny Aiken (23) (LS)
Practice squad: FB James Develin (24), FB Eric Kettani (25), WR Sam Kirkland (23), TE Alex Silvestro (23), T Matt Kopa (25), G Thomas Austin (25), LB Jeff Tarpinian (24), CB/S Malcolm Williams (24)
Reserve (out until after week 6): Jake Ballard (24), Myron Pryor (26), Markus Zusevics (23)
Not reported: Brian Waters (35)
IR (not eligible to return in 2012): Brad Herman (22), Jamey Richard (27), Dane Fletcher (25), Josh Barrett (27), Will Allen (33), Spencer Larsen (28), Jeff Demps (22)
Exempt/military: Shun White (26)
Exempt/left squad: Tony Fiammetta (25)
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Post by texs31 on Sept 4, 2012 9:08:49 GMT -5
Suprised by the cut of Hoyer. Carpenter doesn't suprise me that much as Ninkovich could easily get time at backup OLB if needed (with an abundance of DEs to take his spot).
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badfishnbc
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Doing you all a favor and leaving through the gate in right field since 2012.
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Post by badfishnbc on Sept 4, 2012 10:23:17 GMT -5
While I remain concerned with the performance of the O-line, WatersWatch is getting a tad out of hand...
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Post by texs31 on Sept 4, 2012 16:46:02 GMT -5
Tennant out; RB Lex Hilliard in.
Might be an indication of Vereen's availability (or lack thereof)
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Post by amfox1 on Sept 4, 2012 18:36:20 GMT -5
Kettani released from the practice squad and Jeremiah Warren added. Warren was in training camp until the last round of cuts.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 4, 2012 20:47:13 GMT -5
James Develin FTW  |
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Post by texs31 on Sept 5, 2012 15:48:38 GMT -5
Hoomanawanui (TE) in; Shiancoe to IR (Designated for Return).
Kerry Taylor (WR) back onto the practice squad; Sam Kirkland gone.
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Post by amfox1 on Sept 18, 2012 19:29:51 GMT -5
Salas, Rivera and Hilliard cut. Branch expected to be re-signed and Kellen Winslow expected to be signed. Koutovides or Tarpinian should replace Rivera.
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Post by patrmac04 on Sept 19, 2012 16:40:09 GMT -5
Greg Salas getting cut shocks me honestly... I am kind of bummed about it actually. In watching the highlights of the kid, he is a huge receiver in the same mold as Hernandez. He could break tackles and his YAC were great... I guess it's an IN BILL WE TRUST moment.
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Post by texs31 on Sept 20, 2012 7:59:52 GMT -5
Fear not (at least for now). He made it to the Practice Squad
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Post by patrmac04 on Sept 20, 2012 11:42:38 GMT -5
Fear not (at least for now). He made it to the Practice Squad I was actually coming here to post just that... it does make me feel a lot better actually. I think he really has talent and it will be good to have him spend time learning the system while building on timing with the QBs. |
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 24, 2012 22:55:18 GMT -5
Wow. Just wow. This ending of the Packers and Seahawks game was an embarrassment to all 4 major sports leagues in america, there's no way any conscious person would rule that a TD on the act or even more absurdly upon further review. If the Packers miss the playoffs because of this game, the season should not count.
That was one of the worst things I've seen.
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Post by ray88h66 on Sept 25, 2012 14:19:01 GMT -5
Wow. Just wow. This ending of the Packers and Seahawks game was an embarrassment to all 4 major sports leagues in america, there's no way any conscious person would rule that a TD on the act or even more absurdly upon further review. If the Packers miss the playoffs because of this game, the season should not count. That was one of the worst things I've seen. Who had possesion is not reviewable. Only was it a catch and in bounds. Once the dope called it a TD it was all over but the shouting for the real refs to come back. |
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Post by jmei on Sept 25, 2012 15:02:40 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on Sept 26, 2012 9:10:16 GMT -5
Who had possesion is not reviewable. Only was it a catch and in bounds. Once the dope called it a TD it was all over but the shouting for the real refs to come back. Seriously? I heard otherwise somewhere, but either way, how can someone standing RIGHT there can call it a TD? Tate is hugging the Packers CB for crying out loud. |
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Post by texs31 on Sept 28, 2012 14:29:22 GMT -5
Playing time changes I'd like to see starting this weekend (in order of likelihood):
1. Cunningham getting more time in the base package (Nikovich has underwhelmed in my opinion). - VERY POSSIBLE
2. Dowling getting more reps in the nickel (moving Arrington to the slot) over Moore. - SOMEWHAT POSSIBLE
3. Vereen getting healthy and taking reps over Woodhead - INSERT YOUR JOKE HERE.
Of course, the theme is getting more athleticism on the field on a regular basis.
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Post by rangoon82 on Oct 22, 2012 18:39:08 GMT -5
Mark Sanchez just dropped 328 yards on the Pats. Get it together, Pats defensive backs.
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Post by jmei on Oct 22, 2012 19:32:46 GMT -5
The problem is it's not just the DBs. The defensive line can't get consistent pressure, especially the DTs (usually Love/Wilfork). Yes, they rack up a few sacks, but opposing QBs have usually had plenty of time to work slow-breaking deep routes and double moves. The linebackers universally struggle in pass coverage-- none is fast or quick enough to keep up with athletic TEs and RBs in man coverage, and they lack instincts and range in zone. And the defensive schemes implemented by the coaches has not been enough-- when your secondary is giving up chunk yardage anyways, it might be a good idea to dial up a few corner or zone blitzes rather than sitting in a two-deep shell for most of the game. Opposing offensive coordinators look at the inexperienced safeties sitting in cover 2 and know exactly which route combinations are going to shred it. And, as you mentioned, the secondary plays with bad technique and may just not be talented enough.
That said, if they win in London and get healthy over the bye week, they're still a threat to be the two seed in the AFC. And give Belichick two weeks to scheme against a team in the playoffs, and he'll figure out something.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 1, 2012 15:33:01 GMT -5
Patriots acquire Aquib Talib from TB (no word on compensation). Per ESPN
I like it. He's a head-case (and he won't help us next week as he still has 1 game left on his suspension) but he's got shutdown corner potential.
EDIT: Tweets indicate he'll be re-instated on Monday but I'm not sure that still works given his 4th game is no longer happening (with NE on a bye this week). Hopefully some clarfication soon.
EDIT 2: Pats give up 2013 4th rounder
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Post by rangoon82 on Nov 1, 2012 18:52:29 GMT -5
I love it. I think this trade plus the cashing in of the perennially traded back first rounders makes it seem like Belichick knows he has to make the most of the time left with Brady.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 2, 2012 15:24:02 GMT -5
I think it's that the defensive backfield was suspect as hell, and then Dowling went on IR making it even weaker. Maybe you're partially right about the ticking clock theory influencing things a bit (that was certainly what I thought with using both first round picks), but I also think it's an indictment of the defensive backfield in both talent and health. As constituted, either Marquice Cole or Nate Ebner was going to be on the field in sub packages... yikes.
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Post by jmei on Nov 2, 2012 15:36:09 GMT -5
Tampa Bay was going to cut him anyways. A 4th round deal is a little rich for me but if he plays well in New England it will be all forgotten. Remember when Belichick used to pile up late-round picks?
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Post by texs31 on Nov 2, 2012 16:32:12 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see how the active roster looks (from a DB perspective) once that Indy game rolls around. Health will certainly play a role but there is a greater chance that we'll get some guys back healthy by then.
Typically, 8 DBs play some roll on game day. We have the 4 base guys; a nickel back; a dime (or "big nickel") guy and 2 that are depth and play exclusively on ST.
If everyone is healthy, Talib/McCourty/Chung are locks for most packages. The 4th spot likely comes down to Gregory (S), Arrington (CB) and Dennard (CB). As of right now, Dennard is the hot guy (though he's helped by injuries to the other two) so if he's your 4th then that means your rotation looks like this:
Talib CB, Dennard CB, Chung S, McCourty S
That leaves Arrington as your nickel. The big question is whether you can have Gregory active. He's not really a big nickel or dime guy (the way the Pats lineup) like Wilson is and he doesn't really play ST. So does that mean he sits?
Wilson is perfectly suited for the big nickel/dime package and could take over Ebner's minutes on ST (he's been struggling as the punt protector so maybe Nate sits).
I suppose you could have Gregory as, technically, your nickel back with McCourty rolling over back to the CB position.
Cole is an ST leader and has been decent backing up the CB position.
So what does everyone think? Who sits between Gregory and Arrington (or Dennard if Arrington gets his spot back)?
Is Ebner a lock for inactivity now?
We have a week before a game and another before this becomes an issue. Chime in.
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Post by jmei on Nov 2, 2012 19:26:58 GMT -5
I don't think Chung is a lock at safety. Chung is good in the box but really struggled as the deep part of the zone (basically any time they play cover-2 or cover-4/quarters), especially versus play-action or double moves. Gregory is less talented athletically but is more disciplined in reading his keys and not being out of position.
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