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2015 Official Spring Training thread
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Mar 26, 2015 8:35:58 GMT -5
Brian MacPherson ?@brianmacp Victorino fired up about "Mazz and whoever that other guy is" interpreting his comments as him wanting Mookie Betts traded. Brian MacPherson ?@brianmacp Victorino: "Don't sit behind a mike and be a coward and put words in my mouth." Reiterated belief Betts is a McCutchen in the making. The man is SLOW. Talk about clogging the base paths ..... He falls fast. Hmm .... Victorino has a right to say what he wants to say, but others don't have the right to infer what they want to infer. Vic needs to realize that if one makes opaque statements peoples' natural tendencies are to try to read between the lines. And I say that as a fan who thinks he may have been referring to Swihart as the main piece of interest. If I were the Phillies and could get one and only one of Swihart or Betts in a deal for Hamels, Swihart would be the one I'd want. Not because Betts doesn't have a chance to be extra special -- he does -- but Swihart has a chance to be an extra special CATCHER. To my mind, that is the greater value.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 26, 2015 8:41:32 GMT -5
Victorino can just keep yapping his way off the team. Problem solved.
He should know better by now after playing in Philadelphia and Boston, which each have pretty much identical idiots in the media that will tear you apart if you slip up.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 26, 2015 8:56:36 GMT -5
Sean McAdam ?@sean_McAdam Red Sox have plans to have Cecchini play OF, 1B in Pawtucket to increase his versatility. Kevin Thomas ?@clearthebases In AAA, Garin Cecchini will play 3B, 1B and outfield. "His bat will be ready before there is a defensive opening," #RedSox mgr Farrell said . . . For those that haven't read this, it has the potential to be huge: Matt Huegel ?@matthuegelsp Karsten Whitson close to his old self in Red Sox system bit.ly/190duEo via @soxprospects, Jon Meoli
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Post by Smittyw on Mar 26, 2015 10:54:17 GMT -5
Hmm .... Victorino has a right to say what he wants to say, but others don't have the right to infer what they want to infer. Vic needs to realize that if one makes opaque statements peoples' natural tendencies are to try to read between the lines. Yeah, it's not like this was some theoretical question about whether to trade prospects for proven talent...the discussion was specifically about Hamels, and he knows the names that have been out there all winter. Not that I think this is a very big deal, but he can't be surprised that people assumed he meant Betts/Swihart.
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Post by wcp3 on Mar 26, 2015 11:27:31 GMT -5
Felger and Mazz are obviously gigantic trolls, but I'm a little tired of hearing all the yapping from a guy who can't even stay on the field.
Just zip it already.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Mar 26, 2015 11:48:49 GMT -5
For those that haven't read this, it has the potential to be huge: Matt Huegel ?@matthuegelsp Karsten Whitson close to his old self in Red Sox system bit.ly/190duEo via @soxprospects, Jon MeoliHmmm, I might be revising a choice or two in the prediction game ... that could be a big deal.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Mar 26, 2015 11:51:03 GMT -5
I'm talking about the 25-man roster. If the Sox trade Craig, you are giving a 25-man slot to either Victorino, JBJ, or Weeks. I'm saying Craig is the best option of those four right now for a variety of reasons. Castillo is only tangentially related to my point, at best. Why isn't Castillo a candidate to start on the 25-man? Even if Victorino is the nominal starter, they could easily justify him starting just three or so times a week and giving the rest of the starts to Castillo. Of course he is. I'm taking as a given that Hanley, Mookie, and Castillo are on the 25-man (at least after a possible Castillo interlude in AAA to open the season)
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Post by jmei on Mar 26, 2015 11:57:18 GMT -5
Ah, fair enough-- you mentioned Castillo in AAA in the next paragraph and I got confused.
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 26, 2015 21:29:58 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 27, 2015 6:45:19 GMT -5
What an awesome article, thanks.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 27, 2015 8:09:37 GMT -5
Alex Speier ?@alexspeier 5m5 minutes ago Christian Vazquez says he will undergo an MRI on his elbow today. Says he is feeling better, anticipated he's 'going to be fine.'
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Post by brianthetaoist on Mar 27, 2015 8:39:01 GMT -5
What an awesome article, thanks. Holy smokes, that article is terrific. And not just in the "oh look, an athlete posted an article that gives cool insights" kind of way, but just as a piece of writing. The lede is great, the overall construction is flawless, and Papi's voice/personality comes through really strongly. And it does give some really informative insights into what happened in 2003 and what it's like to live life in the baseball spotlight. The "reporter with the red jheri curl" bit made me chuckle, too. It's not a slam on Ortiz to say that he almost surely got editorial/writing help with that article, obviously, but the whole thing really is great.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 27, 2015 9:05:44 GMT -5
Alex Speier ?@alexspeier 5m5 minutes ago Christian Vazquez says he will undergo an MRI on his elbow today. Says he is feeling better, anticipated he's 'going to be fine.' Still got me thinking about having a pitching staff that's extra reliant on their catcher and how things could change quickly for multiple guys by just one going down.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 27, 2015 9:08:08 GMT -5
Alex Speier ?@alexspeier 5m5 minutes ago Christian Vazquez says he will undergo an MRI on his elbow today. Says he is feeling better, anticipated he's 'going to be fine.' Still got me thinking about having a pitching staff that's extra reliant on their catcher and how things could change quickly for multiple guys by just one going down. Thankfully there's not much of a dropoff to Hanigan.
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 27, 2015 10:22:10 GMT -5
Michael Silverman ?@mikesilvermanbb 1m1 minute ago Swihart is in mix for C roster spot if Vazquez sidelined by opener. (In case that got buried too deep in last 140-character transmission)
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 27, 2015 11:42:44 GMT -5
From Speier's 108 Stiches:
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 27, 2015 13:15:49 GMT -5
What an awesome article, thanks. Holy smokes, that article is terrific. And not just in the "oh look, an athlete posted an article that gives cool insights" kind of way, but just as a piece of writing. The lede is great, the overall construction is flawless, and Papi's voice/personality comes through really strongly. And it does give some really informative insights into what happened in 2003 and what it's like to live life in the baseball spotlight. The "reporter with the red jheri curl" bit made me chuckle, too. It's not a slam on Ortiz to say that he almost surely got editorial/writing help with that article, obviously, but the whole thing really is great. I enjoyed the article, too. I believed him before the article and I still very much believe him. If I wasn't a Red Sox fan would I believe him? I don't know, but being a Red Sox fan, I feel like I have a good sense of his personality, strengths and weaknesses, as much as anybody can without actually knowing the person. Ortiz strikes me as a guy who can be egotistical. He cares about his stats, getting his RBIs, etc, the impact the speedup of the game would have on him, etc. But Ortiz definitely has a very charitable side as well, and a loyal side. I mean, honestly, the "You're a DH" argument has always been used against him, but if he didn't seem so attached to the Red Sox, and was really out for every last dollar, he'd be long gone. What strikes me though about Ortiz is that the guy IS a leader. Of course, it was Ortiz who was standing up at the podium on Apr 20, 2013 giving his famous speech where he said exactly what everybody was feeling. And of course it was Ortiz giving his much needed pep talk in the dugout just before the 6th inning of Game 4 of the World Series, when the Sox needed a kick in the butt. I don't think these things normally matter, but in this case, I think he did a very good thing then. Flat out, this guy gives a crap about winning, and he had the cajones to beat the Yankees when the Sox could never seem to do so in a big spot. All of those clutch hits? The guy gets so much flack from idiots around here, but given everything I've seen and heard about him, I actually do believe him and I'm glad he wrote his side of the story.
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Post by Smittyw on Mar 28, 2015 6:47:50 GMT -5
Alex Speier @alexspeier · 10h 10 hours ago Red Sox minor leaguers released in recent days: 2010 6th rounder OF Kendrick Perkins, RHP Nestor Molina, C Simon Gravel, RHP KJ Trader...
Alex Speier @alexspeier · 10h 10 hours ago Red Sox minor league releases (cont): RHP Deryk Hooker, OF Matty Johnson, RHP Willie Ethington.
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Post by amfox1 on Mar 28, 2015 7:33:58 GMT -5
Alex Speier ?@alexspeier 5m5 minutes ago Vazquez says MRI 'found something,' but no firm diagnosis yet. Will get 2nd opinion.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 28, 2015 7:53:54 GMT -5
Alex Speier ?@alexspeier 5m5 minutes ago Vazquez says MRI 'found something,' but no firm diagnosis yet. Will get 2nd opinion. Sounds like when he comes back in 2015 he will be backing up Swithart. Perfect example of why you don't have to choose between two elite prospects to maximize value.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 28, 2015 7:55:56 GMT -5
Still got me thinking about having a pitching staff that's extra reliant on their catcher and how things could change quickly for multiple guys by just one going down. Thankfully there's not much of a dropoff to Hanigan. If this were true then Vazquez is extremely over-rated. Hannigan is old, has never been great and is coming off a terrible year. I'm fine when he's your 30-40 game back up but he's a terrible timeshare catcher.
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Post by jdb on Mar 28, 2015 8:44:00 GMT -5
All signs are pointing to TJ here, right? It's not ideal but is there a journeyman out there that could buy Swihart a few months more in AAA?
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Post by bsout2 on Mar 28, 2015 9:15:32 GMT -5
All signs are pointing to TJ here, right? It's not ideal but is there a journeyman out there that could buy Swihart a few months more in AAA? I think they will give a lot of thought to Swihart if that is the case. If his defense is good, I don't see why he can't be the starter and number nine hitter. Yes I know how Bradley turned out last year.
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Post by rangoon82 on Mar 28, 2015 9:26:00 GMT -5
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Post by brianthetaoist on Mar 28, 2015 9:29:19 GMT -5
All signs are pointing to TJ here, right? It's not ideal but is there a journeyman out there that could buy Swihart a few months more in AAA? I think they will give a lot of thought to Swihart if that is the case. If his defense is good, I don't see why he can't be the starter and number nine hitter. Yes I know how Bradley turned out last year. Ooof, this is (potentially) bad news. I love Swihart, but really all signs point to him needing more time in AAA. So, on the one hand, you've got that clear development priority. But, on the other hand, you've got the vision of Hanigan+Humberto Humberto (El Padre de Lolita) as your backstop rotation, which isn't a pretty one. And, on your third hand, you've got the notion that you can trade for a catcher in a game with a shortage of good catchers. If Vazquez goes out for the season, I think rushing Swihart could be the best of a set of bad options here, but you'd maybe want to see if Varitek wants a full time gig as a bullpen coach or something to be a constant guide.
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