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Post by grandsalami on Feb 21, 2015 18:26:16 GMT -5
Pete Abraham ?@peteabe 1m1 minute ago As @alexspeier reported earlier, #RedSox GM Ben Cherington has a contract extension. Can now report it is at least through 2016.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Feb 21, 2015 18:38:16 GMT -5
Pete Abraham ?@peteabe 1m1 minute ago As @alexspeier reported earlier, #RedSox GM Ben Cherington has a contract extension. Can now report it is at least through 2016. Brilliant. Abraham dropping the knowledge once again.
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 21, 2015 18:44:40 GMT -5
Pete Abraham ?@peteabe 1m1 minute ago As @alexspeier reported earlier, #RedSox GM Ben Cherington has a contract extension. Can now report it is at least through 2016. Brilliant. Abraham dropping the knowledge once again. No we seriously do not know how long it is… (alexspeier does not know)
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 21, 2015 18:45:27 GMT -5
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Post by Smittyw on Feb 21, 2015 18:59:37 GMT -5
So no gorilla suit in his near future?
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Post by chavopepe2 on Feb 21, 2015 19:13:53 GMT -5
Brilliant. Abraham dropping the knowledge once again. No we seriously do not know how long it is… (alexspeier does not know) If it is an extension it is at least through 2016. You can't have a 0 year extension. Abraham once again reported nothing.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Feb 21, 2015 19:45:32 GMT -5
Thankfully they won the world series in 2013 otherwise I would say an extension is a real stretch. Jury is still out for me on him....but an extra year is not an issue.
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Post by soxfan06 on Feb 21, 2015 19:55:30 GMT -5
Thankfully they won the world series in 2013 otherwise I would say an extension is a real stretch. Jury is still out for me on him....but an extra year is not an issue. Not for me. I think he has done a very good job as the GM for this club...save for a few of the first trades he made where he was clearly still learning on the fly. I mean he deserved an extension for being saddled with a damn full year of Bobby V.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Feb 21, 2015 20:12:07 GMT -5
Thankfully they won the world series in 2013 otherwise I would say an extension is a real stretch. Jury is still out for me on him....but an extra year is not an issue. Not for me. I think he has done a very good job as the GM for this club...save for a few of the first trades he made where he was clearly still learning on the fly. I mean he deserved an extension for being saddled with a damn full year of Bobby V. Well...he was Theo's asst for a while so I am not sure he had much to learn on the fly. And there is that small inconvenience of 2 terrible seasons. He still has stuff to prove.
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Post by michael on Feb 21, 2015 20:27:14 GMT -5
So no gorilla suit in his near future? Not unless Theo stops by looking for a job .
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 21, 2015 22:40:20 GMT -5
Thankfully they won the world series in 2013 otherwise I would say an extension is a real stretch. Jury is still out for me on him....but an extra year is not an issue. Why is the jury still out on Ben Cherington? I may not agree with all the moves he makes or doesn't make, but winning the World Series trumps those two last place finishes by a ton, and I really don't blame him for 2012 - that fiasco started with ownership hiring Bozo the Clown for manager. Like Theo before him, he inherited a strong core and made some excellent acquisitions to complete the puzzle. Even in a lost year like 2014, Ben has the team positioned where they have a good shot at making the post-season in 2015 and he still has the depth to make some more trades, perhaps even an impact pitching trade. And they still have a strong farm system, which is important going forward. He's proven to be a good GM. If the Sox can't have Theo, I'm glad they have Ben.
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Post by sibbysisti on Feb 21, 2015 22:49:17 GMT -5
So Ben and Farrell can plan on being together for a couple of more years. This, at least, brings some stability to the team.
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Post by mgoetze on Feb 21, 2015 23:40:00 GMT -5
Cherington put together a good team for 2014 and then a lot of unlucky outcomes happened. It's fine to blame him for this if you are a simple fan but an MLB owner should have a more enlightened perspective...
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Feb 22, 2015 12:15:19 GMT -5
Cherington put together a good team for 2014 and then a lot of unlucky outcomes happened. It's fine to blame him for this if you are a simple fan but an MLB owner should have a more enlightened perspective... and he had a lot of favorable outcomes in 2013...which contributed to the series win. The point is try and be more consistent in the product your producing..not really on heavy doses of favorable or unfavorable outcomes. The simple fan shtick is pretty weak also.
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Post by moonstone2 on Feb 22, 2015 12:19:47 GMT -5
Let's not kid ourselves. All an extension does is keep the GM from jumping to another team. It doesn't keep him from being fired. Like it or not GMs are judged by results. You can't use bad luck as an excuse every year. Eventually you will be held accountable.
Despite mounds of available resources and a top rated farm system the team has finished in last place two out of three years. If you give Cherrington some responsibility for the old regime, you have a team that has missed the playoffs four out of five years.
If the Red Sox finish last again, Cherrington should be fired. At some point a GM must be held accountable as all executives are.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 22, 2015 12:22:42 GMT -5
Cherington put together a good team for 2014 and then a lot of unlucky outcomes happened. It's fine to blame him for this if you are a simple fan but an MLB owner should have a more enlightened perspective... and he had a lot of favorable outcomes in 2013...which contributed to the series win. The point is try and be more consistent in the product your producing..not really on heavy doses of favorable or unfavorable outcomes. The simple fan shtick is pretty weak also. That's not how baseball works anymore. Every team who wins has a lot of things go right. There isn't going to be anymore dynasties. Even the Giants who won 3 WS in the last 5 years wasn't the best team over that stretch.
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Post by mgoetze on Feb 22, 2015 12:43:58 GMT -5
That's not how baseball works anymore. Every team who wins has a lot of things go right. There isn't going to be anymore dynasties. Even the Giants who won 3 WS in the last 5 years wasn't the best team over that stretch. Absolutely... as far as I'm concerned the job of the General Manager is to get you to the playoffs as often as possible, the rest requires luck. 29 of 31 FanGraphs writers thought Boston would make the playoffs in 2014: www.fangraphs.com/blogs/fangraphs-staff-predictions-american-league/
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Post by Guidas on Feb 22, 2015 18:02:07 GMT -5
Let's not kid ourselves. All an extension does is keep the GM from jumping to another team. It doesn't keep him from being fired. Like it or not GMs are judged by results. You can't use bad luck as an excuse every year. Eventually you will be held accountable. Despite mounds of available resources and a top rated farm system the team has finished in last place two out of three years. If you give Cherrington some responsibility for the old regime, you have a team that has missed the playoffs four out of five years. If the Red Sox finish last again, Cherrington should be fired. At some point a GM must be held accountable as all executives are. Seconded.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Feb 22, 2015 19:06:46 GMT -5
Let's not kid ourselves. All an extension does is keep the GM from jumping to another team. It doesn't keep him from being fired. Like it or not GMs are judged by results. You can't use bad luck as an excuse every year. Eventually you will be held accountable. Despite mounds of available resources and a top rated farm system the team has finished in last place two out of three years. If you give Cherrington some responsibility for the old regime, you have a team that has missed the playoffs four out of five years. If the Red Sox finish last again, Cherrington should be fired. At some point a GM must be held accountable as all executives are. The Sox did not have a great farm system a few years ago when Cherington took over. When he did, the major league roster was clogged with long-term contracts giving the team zero flexibility, the minor league system was mediocre with little near-term help, and the managerial situation was a mess with Tito getting fired. He cleared out the major league roster, built one of the strongest farm systems in the game, and, honestly I think this is gravy because so much luck was involved, won a World Series by doing the GM equivalent of throwing a no-hitter in the 2012-2013 offseason. Of course, none of this would be possible without the resources available to him as the GM of the Sox, but he's done a good job putting this team on a solid long-term footing. The last piece to put in place is a quality rotation. They may or may not be there this year, but it's the place where he had to gamble the most this year. However, it's true that an extension means nothing ... he gets fired when he gets fired.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Feb 22, 2015 19:14:14 GMT -5
Thankfully they won the world series in 2013 otherwise I would say an extension is a real stretch. Jury is still out for me on him....but an extra year is not an issue. Not for me. I think he has done a very good job as the GM for this club...save for a few of the first trades he made where he was clearly still learning on the fly. I mean he deserved an extension for being saddled with a damn full year of Bobby V. I for one was really worried when Theo left. Even though we have had 2 last place finishes, in both seasons it had a lot to do with Ben having the "balls" to pull the plug and see the future. Both years he could have stayed the course even with Valentine and finished at or slightly above .500. Nothing in sports, for me, is worse than finishing in the middle of the pack. He could have pulled that off. Would that have made some of you who are not sure of him happy? His "Punto trade" was brilliant. We have another very high draft choice because he didn't settle for middle of the road. With how this team is built and with the assets we have.......we will not see last again. You can thank Ben for digging us out of a direction (with guys like Crawford, Beckett, etc.) that was a disaster waiting to happen (and continue for a while).
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Post by ray88h66 on Feb 22, 2015 21:09:50 GMT -5
I think Ben has done well. As Steve mentioned . he could have stood pat and won more games in 2012 and 2014 but he made good trades at the deadline. Finishing last 2 out of 3 years doesn't mean much these days. I'd take that with a World Series sandwich every time.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 22, 2015 22:00:22 GMT -5
Not for me. I think he has done a very good job as the GM for this club...save for a few of the first trades he made where he was clearly still learning on the fly. I mean he deserved an extension for being saddled with a damn full year of Bobby V. I for one was really worried when Theo left. Even though we have had 2 last place finishes, in both seasons it had a lot to do with Ben having the "balls" to pull the plug and see the future. Both years he could have stayed the course even with Valentine and finished at or slightly above .500. Nothing in sports, for me, is worse than finishing in the middle of the pack. He could have pulled that off. Would that have made some of you who are not sure of him happy? His "Punto trade" was brilliant. We have another very high draft choice because he didn't settle for middle of the road. With how this team is built and with the assets we have.......we will not see last again. You can thank Ben for digging us out of a direction (with guys like Crawford, Beckett, etc.) that was a disaster waiting to happen (and continue for a while). Extremely good point. Some teams can't admit they're team would be better off rebuilding or reshuffling the deck in July. I give Ben credit for doing so. What's the point of finishing 3rd or 4th with an 81-81 record or a 78-84 record? It accomplishes little. I'd rather take last place and convert assets into something useful for the future.
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Post by tonyc on Feb 22, 2015 22:24:55 GMT -5
Amen to the thoughts of Steve and Brian. If you recall the transcript of the punto deal, it was extremely complex and difficult and industry professionals with 30 year careers said they had never seen anything like it on many levels. I too was quite concerned after Theo left, but that deal, his many signings in 2013, his wonderful 2014 deadline and his winter this year are all highlights. To look simply at the standings in two out of three seasons and not delve deeper is a very simplistic fan perspective of what have you done for me lately.
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Post by m1keyboots on Feb 22, 2015 22:26:20 GMT -5
It's hard to believe people thinking the ; Bosox should can Ben if another down year happens. I would think winning the world series and making several trades that fans here, and elsewhere agree with would, alone give Ben some breathing room.
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Post by mredsox89 on Feb 22, 2015 22:36:46 GMT -5
I give far more credit to Cherington for willing to take heat and deal with a last place team than try to please the crowd and finish middle of the pack when the playoffs clearly weren't happenin
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