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Post by blizzards39 on Nov 20, 2015 21:50:46 GMT -5
Actually, so far we lose that one. DeLa Rosa had a good year in the desert compared to Wade Miley.Always liked Allen Webster. He's got a great arm with movement on his pitches. For one reason or another, he hasn't been able to take command in a ML situation. He won five games for the Sox in 2014. There's got to be a place for him somewhere. De La Rosa was worse than Miley in every way last year. According to fWAR DelaRosas 0.3 rating was the worst of all stating pitchers. Miley was 2.6 ( or worth roughly 20$M. About twice his salary)
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 20, 2015 21:53:18 GMT -5
Bob Nightengale @bnightengale 4m4 minutes ago The #Dodgers, in their quest for marquee starting pitching, have identified free agent Jordan Zimmermann as one of their top targets.
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Post by mgoetze on Nov 20, 2015 22:03:07 GMT -5
Steamer Projection for Wade Miley 2016: 4.08 ERA Steamer Projection for Rubby de la Rosa 2016: 4.08 ERA
Doesn't look like a win to me...
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 20, 2015 22:03:33 GMT -5
De La Rosa was worse than Miley in every way last year. According to fWAR DelaRosas 0.3 rating was the worst of all stating pitchers. Miley was 2.6 ( or worth roughly 20$M. About twice his salary) And bWAR had an even larger gap - 2.5 for Miley to 0.0 for De La Rosa.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 20, 2015 22:04:59 GMT -5
Steamer Projection for Wade Miley 2016: 4.08 ERA Steamer Projection for Rubby de la Rosa 2016: 4.08 ERA Doesn't look like a win to me... Steamer projection for 2015: The Red Sox are the best team in baseball. Projection systems are cool and all, but Miley has been better than De La Rosa and also quite durable and it's hard for me to see what De La Rosa projects to do better than him in 2016. EDIT: And even if they had identical ERA, the league difference would favor Miley.
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Post by mgoetze on Nov 20, 2015 22:22:51 GMT -5
Steamer projection for 2015: The Red Sox are the best team in baseball. Yeah and you knew they were going to be last in the AL East so obviously you're smarter than Steamer, I get that. So why don't you tell me how many HR/FB RLDR is going to allow next year, I'd love to know.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 20, 2015 22:29:30 GMT -5
Nope, I picked them to win the division too. My being wrong doesn't mean Steamer isn't junk for pitchers.
I'll make an avatar bet that Miley has a better bWAR and fWAR than De La Rosa next year. No innings minimum. De La Rosa beats Miley in either category you can pick my avatar. Miley sweeps the two I can pick yours.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 20, 2015 22:45:21 GMT -5
JB Wendelken, sent to the White Sox as part of the Peavy trade, was added to their 40-man today. I'd honestly lost track of him but he had a really strong first half for Double-A Birmingham and was okay after a promotion to Charlotte as well.
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Post by mredsox89 on Nov 20, 2015 22:56:44 GMT -5
The Allen Webster experience is one of the most bizarre we've seen recently. Guy has filthy stuff, and has even shown flashes of it working, but there's just something missing. Maybe it's mental, maybe it's personality driven, who knows. But his stuff is there, he'll probably latch on in AAA somewhere, and probably get another shot in the bigs somewhere.
Given the rest of the Red Sox starting pitchers, I'd still rather have Miley than De La Rosa
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Nov 21, 2015 19:24:40 GMT -5
Steamer projection for 2015: The Red Sox are the best team in baseball. Yeah and you knew they were going to be last in the AL East so obviously you're smarter than Steamer, I get that. So why don't you tell me how many HR/FB RLDR is going to allow next year, I'd love to know. Where does he claim to know more than Steamer as opposed to pointing out its certainly not the end all be all?
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Post by taftreign on Nov 21, 2015 20:44:55 GMT -5
I see Houston is going strong after a closer to then slide Gregorson into the set up role. One of their top targets is Andrew Miller. It will make not signing Miller even harder to stomach when Boston follows up trading four prospects to fill the same position and then the Yankees add two or so higher end prospects by trading him. Hope Houston trades for Giles instead.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 22, 2015 20:41:58 GMT -5
“@billshaikin: Dodgers expected to hire Dave Roberts as manager t.co/uy6RlrCiAk
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 22, 2015 22:57:15 GMT -5
“@billshaikin: Dodgers expected to hire Dave Roberts as manager t.co/uy6RlrCiAkGood for Dave Roberts. Maybe he can make Kapler his bench coach. They can have the OF reserves of the 2004 Sox running the team.
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 23, 2015 15:55:01 GMT -5
Matt Eddy @matteddyba 16 sec. #DBacks sign RHP Kyle Drabek (nice FB/SL), RF Kyle Jensen (power) and 3B Carlos Rivero (hits LHP), a trio of intriguing minor league FAs.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 23, 2015 15:57:21 GMT -5
Lloyd McClendon will be the manager of the Toledo Mud Hens, presumably beating out Mike Hessman.
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Post by jmei on Nov 23, 2015 16:52:56 GMT -5
I moved the Boras discussion to its own thread.
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Post by soxfanatic on Nov 23, 2015 17:04:54 GMT -5
Luis Diaz signed with the Padres according to BA's Minor Free Agent tracker.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 23, 2015 17:16:36 GMT -5
Luis Diaz signed with the Padres according to BA's Minor Free Agent tracker. There's a guy who probably should have been moved to the pen a long time ago. What was the point of keeping him as a starter?
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Post by juanpena on Nov 23, 2015 17:19:55 GMT -5
Allan Webster designated. A trade we were all suspect of last year dosnt look so bad. I've been wrong a lot, but was right on Webster. Kelly is next up. I wouldn't put Kelly in the same class as Webster. Kelly's been maddening inconsistent, but he's shown in stretches he can get major league hitters out. Webster never really did. I'd love to see Kelly in the pen this year, assuming the Sox acquire that top of the rotation guy TBA.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 23, 2015 18:11:49 GMT -5
Luis Diaz signed with the Padres according to BA's Minor Free Agent tracker. Now I REALLY hate the Kimbrel trade.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 23, 2015 18:12:26 GMT -5
Luis Diaz signed with the Padres according to BA's Minor Free Agent tracker. There's a guy who probably should have been moved to the pen a long time ago. What was the point of keeping him as a starter? That he probably isn't very good in either role probably. You have to keep SOME guys as starters, otherwise you'd have no rotation.
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Post by iakovos11 on Nov 23, 2015 19:21:32 GMT -5
Lloyd McClendon will be the manager of the Toledo Mud Hens, presumably beating out Mike Hessman. Les Nessman was also in the runnning. "O my God they're hitting the ground like bags of wet cement" It just seemed like the perfect time to remember this.
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Post by heisenberg on Nov 23, 2015 22:59:23 GMT -5
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Post by xanderdu on Nov 23, 2015 23:02:29 GMT -5
And somehow you were the only person on planet earth that didn't know this previously?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 24, 2015 1:08:28 GMT -5
My thinking was that they'd shed one or the other, but not both. The taste was that bitter, I guess, what with Papelbon's dugout-killer act and Storen's hissy fit about not being the closer. Heisenberg's re-post of Stark's report does add to our knowledge about the growing pool of available relievers so I, for one, did learn something new tonight.
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