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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 8, 2015 20:55:37 GMT -5
Yowza lol.
Anybody want to do Betts, Owens and Benintendi for Shelby Miller?
Carrascos price just went up.
Also didn't Dave Stewart lambast Dombrowski for the Kimbrel deal?
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 8, 2015 20:57:44 GMT -5
that haul should have gone to MIA
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 8, 2015 20:58:28 GMT -5
Edit: or maybe Moncada, JBJ, Owens? I'd say this is dead on.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 8, 2015 20:58:44 GMT -5
Nick Piecoro @nickpiecoro 9m9 minutes ago Dbacks people saying the package would not have come close to getting them Fernandez. Wow.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Dec 8, 2015 20:59:52 GMT -5
Oughta mute the complaints about the price for Kimbrel
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Post by dcsoxfan on Dec 8, 2015 21:03:27 GMT -5
Prospects are the real market inefficiency. How do you think the Rays have over-achieved for almost a decade?
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Post by nomar on Dec 8, 2015 21:13:54 GMT -5
Rough comp: Benintendi, JBJ, Owens? Edit: or maybe Moncada, JBJ, Owens? Swanson is no Moncada
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 8, 2015 21:16:57 GMT -5
clarkspencer @clarkspencer 7m7 minutes ago Hearing that #Marlins had deal working with D-Backs: Jose Fernandez for Corbin, Swanson and 3 others -- until Zona landed Shelby Miller.
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Post by nomar on Dec 8, 2015 21:17:37 GMT -5
Still they are idiots.
Just further proof that there needs to be DH consistency between leagues. Wade Miley could pitch for the Braves last year and fetch a similar package this offseason. Teams remain oblivious to the league and park change factors. Competitive imbalance can be fought way easier than the way it is today.
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Post by mredsox89 on Dec 8, 2015 21:17:17 GMT -5
Rough comp: Benintendi, JBJ, Owens? Edit: or maybe Moncada, JBJ, Owens? Swanson is no Moncada Moncada is, but he's also not signed to the cheap deal Swanson is, which eliminates some of the difference.
I'm a moron My initial comparison was JBJ, Owens, Devers. To that I said I'd be slightly annoyed if they moved only JBJ & Owens for Miller. To tack on an elite prospect, that's a disgrace
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 8, 2015 21:17:38 GMT -5
so they were working on a trade for MIA
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Post by jimoh on Dec 8, 2015 21:18:29 GMT -5
Rough comp: Benintendi, JBJ, Owens? Edit: or maybe Moncada, JBJ, Owens? Swanson is no Moncada Not as a hitter, but a true SS has value.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Dec 8, 2015 21:23:58 GMT -5
Moncada is, but he's also not signed to the cheap deal Swanson is, which eliminates some of the difference. My initial comparison was JBJ, Owens, Devers. To that I said I'd be slightly annoyed if they moved only JBJ & Owens for Miller. To tack on an elite prospect, that's a disgrace Moncada and Swanson have the same contract situation.
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Post by jmei on Dec 8, 2015 21:27:48 GMT -5
Moncada is, but he's also not signed to the cheap deal Swanson is, which eliminates some of the difference. My initial comparison was JBJ, Owens, Devers. To that I said I'd be slightly annoyed if they moved only JBJ & Owens for Miller. To tack on an elite prospect, that's a disgrace Going forward, Moncada has the same contract situation as Swanson or any other prospect. The bonus has already been paid and Yoan is now in the same position as any other minor leaguer. Moncada is slightly ahead of Swanson, but I like Enciarte better than Bradley, so I think they balance out. Swanson is a notch higher than Devers by most of the rankings.
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Post by mredsox89 on Dec 8, 2015 21:30:48 GMT -5
Moncada is, but he's also not signed to the cheap deal Swanson is, which eliminates some of the difference. My initial comparison was JBJ, Owens, Devers. To that I said I'd be slightly annoyed if they moved only JBJ & Owens for Miller. To tack on an elite prospect, that's a disgrace Going forward, Moncada has the same contract situation as Swanson or any other prospect. The bonus has already been paid and Yoan is now in the same position as any other minor leaguer. Moncada is slightly ahead of Swanson, but I like Enciarte better than Bradley, so I think they balance out. Swanson is a notch higher than Devers by most of the rankings. Yup, that's a whiff on my part. For some reason I went in thinking it wasn't all a signing bonus
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Post by soxfan06 on Dec 8, 2015 21:41:58 GMT -5
Ender Inciarte is a better player than Shelby Miller.
Dude has produced 9 bWAR in 250 games. Nuts.
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Post by grandsalami on Dec 8, 2015 21:45:58 GMT -5
Joe Frisaro @joefrisaro 1m1 minute ago For #Dodgers to land Jose Fernandez from #Marlins hearing it would take Urias, Seager, Pederson and two more. #WinterMeetings
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 8, 2015 21:49:55 GMT -5
Joe Frisaro @joefrisaro 1m1 minute ago For #Dodgers to land Jose Fernandez from #Marlins hearing it would take Urias, Seager, Pederson and two more. #WinterMeetings I think I'd rather wait the three more years and throw $250 million his way when he becomes a free agent than sacrifice the quality and quantity of talent it would take for the Marlins to actually deal him. Actually that proposed deal that Heyman pulled out of his butt probably isn't too far off from what Miami would want - I could easily see Rodriguez, Moncada, Espinoza, and Devers. I'd guess since Miami seems to want 5 players for him, they'd demand Benintendi or Swihart, too. I'm so glad the Sox jumped on signing David Price as swiftly as they did.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 8, 2015 21:58:31 GMT -5
So, the idea is to strip the Dodgers of their stellar young talent, including the pitcher who probably has the best chance of being the next Fernandez. Looks like the Marlins are dealin'. Loria and Samson's version is all about not making friends and having no influence on people. Edit: Looks as if Zobrist to the Cubs is merely a formality: 4 Years/$56 million.
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Post by jiant2520 on Dec 8, 2015 22:13:16 GMT -5
Man I'm glad the Sox didn't go after Miller... I never really liked him, so to me the trade is ridiculously lopsided. Miller is barely better than Miley. Wow.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 8, 2015 22:24:30 GMT -5
The Yankees have traded Adam Warren and Brendan Ryan for Starlin Castro. I'm not sure Castro is better than Refsnyder an losing Warren cuts into their depth. Warren had a 2.7 bWAR this year, Castro's is 2.3 over the past three years.
So of course this all means Castro is going to put it together and have 50 hits a year against the Red Sox.
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Post by cambos174 on Dec 8, 2015 22:29:49 GMT -5
Pretty insane for Miller. Also the reported asking price for Fernandez from the Dodgers. I kind of can't believe they have the gall to ask for Urias, Pederson, etc. it is literally mind boggling.
Fish have no real reason to make a deal, but sweet Jesus. Not going to make any friends with other GMs or owners being like this.
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Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 8, 2015 22:29:26 GMT -5
The Yankees have traded Adam Warren and Brendan Ryan for Starlin Castro. I'm not sure Castro is better than Refsnyder an losing Warren cuts into their depth. Warren had a 2.7 bWAR this year, Castro's is 2.3 over the past three years. So of course this all means Castro is going to put it together and have 50 hits a year against the Red Sox. They get younger and more athletic up the middle for their 7th starter? Like the deal for Yanks.
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 8, 2015 22:31:55 GMT -5
They get younger and more athletic up the middle for their 7th starter? Like the deal for Yanks. Castro is older than Refsnyder.
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Post by ramireja on Dec 8, 2015 22:39:04 GMT -5
The Yankees have traded Adam Warren and Brendan Ryan for Starlin Castro. I'm not sure Castro is better than Refsnyder an losing Warren cuts into their depth. Warren had a 2.7 bWAR this year, Castro's is 2.3 over the past three years. So of course this all means Castro is going to put it together and have 50 hits a year against the Red Sox. Classic deal by the Yanks. They seem to love to trade these 6th starter swingman types that seemingly often put up good numbers for the Yanks (e.g. David Phelps, Shane Greene, Vidal Nuno). We can only hope that Castro performs as poorly as his worst years. Honestly, don't see him as a great fit in NY but its not like they give up a ton to get him.
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