|
Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 11, 2015 13:56:10 GMT -5
Wonder what the Cubs would want for Soler, sounds like they want to move him. I'll bet they go after Carrasco. Makes sense to me. I would think that would be Theo's next domino. Unless an OF alignment of Schwarber/Soler/Heyward or Schwarber/Heyward/Soler is what they're looking to do? Can either Soler or Heyward play CF at all? Obviously Fowler isn't coming back, and I can't imagine they want to give Coughlin all those ABs again.
|
|
|
Post by MLBDreams on Dec 11, 2015 13:58:03 GMT -5
All-in for break their 100+ yr curse. I can see Chicago-AZ match-up for 2016 NL finals.
|
|
|
Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 11, 2015 13:58:11 GMT -5
Its official, the Cubs are stacked and everyone will predict them to win the 2016 WS (probably including me). Which they won't win then. In other news the best fans in MLB are in full meltdown mode. Gotta give it to Theo building a power house. Now only needs things to bounce their way. Who knows? Maybe the Cubs play the Sox in the 2016 Fall Classic? If that's the case, then the Cubs will have to wait another year. Otherwise if it's anybody else but the Sox, I'll be rooting on those Cubbies. Those Cubs are stacked for the rest of the decade, and they not only eliminated their rivals last year, but now the Cards have had an offseason where absolutely nothing has gone right for them as the Cubs have taken Lackey (winning the WS clincher of course) and now Heyward from them.
|
|
|
Post by pedroelgrande on Dec 11, 2015 13:58:35 GMT -5
I'll bet they go after Carrasco. Makes sense to me. I would think that would be Theo's next domino. Unless an OF alignment of Schwarber/Soler/Heyward or Schwarber/Heyward/Soler is what they're looking to do? Can either Soler or Heyward play CF at all? Obviously Fowler isn't coming back, and I can't imagine they want to give Coughlin all those ABs again. Heyward can play CF but is far better in RF.
|
|
|
Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 11, 2015 13:59:38 GMT -5
Heyward can play CF but is far better in RF. Who would be the CF for the 2016 Cubs then?
|
|
|
Post by pedroelgrande on Dec 11, 2015 14:03:34 GMT -5
Heyward can play CF but is far better in RF. Who would be the CF for the 2016 Cubs then? Who knows. It's fluid right now. I think the most likely outcome is that Soler is traded to Tampa or Cle for pitching and they sign a cf like Span. But I don't think they'll just give Soler away if they don't find the deal I think they would go with Heyward in CF.
|
|
texs31
Veteran
Posts: 5,362
Member is Online
|
Post by texs31 on Dec 11, 2015 14:21:05 GMT -5
Dominoes should be interesting:
Davis - Baltimore or does StL go after him now Upton - Washington, LA Angels or San Francisco (maybe Baltimore if Davis goes) Gordon - I think KC is out and not sure StL would go full bore (read some thought he could play RF for a year before supplanting Holliday) Cespedes - Baltimore??
|
|
|
Post by brianthetaoist on Dec 11, 2015 14:21:47 GMT -5
Every MLB marketer is praying Theo pulls it off, or at least gets to the WS. And if the Sox are good ... just imagining the hype of a Sox/Cubs WS makes me a little weary. Fenway-Wrigley! Curses! Theo! Gorilla suits!
|
|
|
Post by heisenberg on Dec 11, 2015 14:24:43 GMT -5
I can't help but think the Sox and Cubs match up well for a deal built around Schwarber and JBJ. For as gifted a hitter as Schwarber is, the man has no defensive position.
|
|
texs31
Veteran
Posts: 5,362
Member is Online
|
Post by texs31 on Dec 11, 2015 15:05:12 GMT -5
They could probably get Austin Jackson back on the cheap (Fowler might be too expensive AND him signing elsewhere will recover a pick).
Thought I'd read Baez might play some CF in winter ball (which might not matter if he's traded elsewhere).
|
|
|
Post by philarhody on Dec 11, 2015 15:48:47 GMT -5
After seeing the Greinke and Price deals, does anyone else feel like the eight year 184 million dollar Heyward investment is a relative bargain?
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Dec 11, 2015 15:51:11 GMT -5
After seeing the Greinke and Price deals, does anyone else feel like the eight year 184 million dollar Heyward investment is a relative bargain? It's hard to compare pitchers to hitters, especially now.
|
|
|
Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 11, 2015 15:52:16 GMT -5
I can't help but think the Sox and Cubs match up well for a deal built around Schwarber and JBJ. For as gifted a hitter as Schwarber is, the man has no defensive position. Like the thought, but it feels like Cubbies will use Scwarber/Soler to go out and get some young cost-controlled pitching a la Salazar.
|
|
|
Post by heisenberg on Dec 11, 2015 15:57:34 GMT -5
After seeing the Greinke and Price deals, does anyone else feel like the eight year 184 million dollar Heyward investment is a relative bargain? In general, I don't like these giant financial commitments to a player. Typically, they don't prove to be a good return on investment. In this case though, with the opt out coming after 3 years (which Heyward will likely exercise), I kind of like the deal. The Cubs will get Heyward's age 26, 27 and 28 seasons for approximately $69 million. What's not to like about that?
|
|
texs31
Veteran
Posts: 5,362
Member is Online
|
Post by texs31 on Dec 11, 2015 16:12:58 GMT -5
They could probably get Austin Jackson back on the cheap (Fowler might be too expensive AND him signing elsewhere will recover a pick).
Thought I'd read Baez might play some CF in winter ball (which might not matter if he's traded elsewhere).
|
|
|
Post by rjp313jr on Dec 11, 2015 16:15:25 GMT -5
I don't like giving a guy that much money who's value is mostly tied to his defense. Plus, his size and previous injuries give me pause on how long his athleticism lasts. They need to hope his offensive season last year is his floor
|
|
|
Post by pokeyreesespieces on Dec 11, 2015 16:18:43 GMT -5
I don't like giving a guy that much money who's value is mostly tied to his defense. Plus, his size and previous injuries give me pause on how long his athleticism lasts. They need to hope his offensive season last year is his floor 23 mill per year for a 26 year old 6WAR OF-er is pretty good deal. Even if he drops down to 4WAR, you're doing more than okay. We just paid Hanley 22 mill to give us -1.8WAR haha.
|
|
|
Post by grandsalami on Dec 11, 2015 16:21:35 GMT -5
“@ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Nationals bid $200M for Heyward. Another team, believed to be #STLCards, also was at $200M. Heyward took less to play for #Cubs.”
|
|
|
Post by jmei on Dec 11, 2015 16:26:00 GMT -5
I'd rather have Heyward at his contract than Price at his. Of course, as noted above, it's unlikely that the Red Sox could have signed Heyward for the contract that he signed with the Cubs, so this is a moot point.
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Dec 11, 2015 16:28:24 GMT -5
“@ken_Rosenthal: Sources: #Nationals bid $200M for Heyward. Another team, believed to be #STLCards, also was at $200M. Heyward took less to play for #Cubs.” But did the Nationals or Cards give opt-outs?
|
|
|
Post by grandsalami on Dec 11, 2015 16:52:24 GMT -5
Jeff Passan @jeffpassan 3s3 seconds ago Source: Jason Heyward turned down three offers higher than the $184M he took from the Cubs, including two of $200M+.
so WSH/STL and?
|
|
|
Post by Legion of Bloom on Dec 11, 2015 16:55:23 GMT -5
I'd guess Angels are the 3rd team.
|
|
|
Post by mredsox89 on Dec 11, 2015 16:57:42 GMT -5
I feel like major praise for a guy taking $184 over 8 years vs. $200 over 8 years is a little stupid. I get that players rarely don't go to the highest bidder, which is why it's even being talked about. But idk if it needs to be anything more than a cliff note.
|
|
|
Post by jimed14 on Dec 11, 2015 16:58:34 GMT -5
At least we don't have to talk about taxes. Missouri taxes are way less than Illinois.
|
|
|
Post by notguilty on Dec 11, 2015 17:14:08 GMT -5
Has anybody in Chicago asked Theo – “what’s the fascination, if it is true, what’s the fascination with Jason Heyward?”
I’m all into WAR and stuff (though I like peace better), but when it comes to $200m players, I have to admit I’m pretty old school. So I find this Heyward contract and the acclaim it’s receiving pretty puzzling.
$200m for this? 2014 against lefthanded .169/.252/.225 ( .272/.344/.364 in 2015) 11 Home Runs in 2014, 13 Home Runs in 2014 – I know, those don’t matter ~60 RBI (!) over the past two years – I know Keith Law says RBIs don’t matter. (I don’t know; I’d rather have somebody who regularly puts up 130 RBIs vs. one who averages 60, but maybe I’m missing something)
I know he plays good defense, but jeez. I look at those stats and I see something JBJ can do if he steadies himself a little bit (his defense being a wash vs. Heyward’s) though with a slightly lower BA/OBP.
|
|