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Post by nomar on Nov 10, 2012 16:07:39 GMT -5
Who would you like to see us realistically get in return for Salty now that we've signed David Ross?
Some of my realistic possibilities that could come our way in a Salty deal/package:
Logan Morrison
Peter Bourjos
CJ Cron
Justin Morneau (we'd need to add some more value here for sure)
Dan Vogelbach
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Post by dmaineah on Nov 10, 2012 16:16:00 GMT -5
Keep Salty
Trade Lavarnway
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Post by sibbysisti on Nov 10, 2012 16:30:27 GMT -5
Who would you like to see us realistically get in return for Salty now that we've signed David Ross? Some of my realistic possibilities that could come our way in a Salty deal/package: Logan Morrison Peter Bourjos CJ Cron Justin Morneau (we'd need to add some more value here for sure) Dan Vogelbach Boy, all of a sudden Salty is getting a lot of attention! There are three threads on the main board about him, Ross and Ryan. Unless Ryan goes to RI, it looks likeone of him and Salty will go in trade. Mtigating against Salty in trade discussions is his one year contract before FA. |
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Post by jmei on Nov 10, 2012 16:38:15 GMT -5
Saltalamacchia is enough to get Bourjos and Morrison, but Morneau would require "some more value... for sure?" I think you need to adjust your expectations. One year of an offensively above-average but defensively below-average catcher will not return talent like Morrison or Bourjos.
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Post by sibbysisti on Dec 4, 2012 11:39:04 GMT -5
Made a boo boo by starting another thread, since deleted, on Salty. Mea Culpa.
He looks certain to be moved now that Napoli has been signed.
I doubt that Lavarnway returns to AAA. There is a demand now for catchers. A.J. is available, but he's ten years older than Salty. My guess, or should I say my wish, is White Sox for Gavin Floyd. Seems like close to equal value.
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Post by jrffam05 on Dec 4, 2012 13:40:45 GMT -5
If we trade Salty we get pretty right handed pretty fast. I do think we have to trade a Salty or Lavarnway. but lets do it at our pace. We almost have a monopoly on the catcher trade market, we don't need to rush to get rid of him, Lavarnway can start in the minors.
I personally would like to see him traded for prospects. I don't know what is out there in terms of value, but I see it as an opportunity to deepen our 2014 roster without hurting our 2013, which I think the goal is.
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Post by nomar on Dec 5, 2012 16:17:00 GMT -5
I see Salty as more of a part of a bigger deal, but I think Vogelbach should be on our radar. Good fit for the system right now with a future opening at 1B/DH.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 5, 2012 17:04:22 GMT -5
The Yankees actually look like they might be the best match. With their current financial situation, they have not been able to sign any free agents. Plus they will need to spend on a RF and a fill-in third baseman.
Personally, with the division the way it is, I have no more problem trading with the Yankees than I do the Jays, O's or Rays (all of whom might finish ahead of the Red Sox and the Yankees). Plus I would make them pay through the nose, and it would be nice to see the prospect that comes to Boston burning the Yankees for years to come.
I highly doubt it happens, just sayin'
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Post by jmei on Dec 5, 2012 17:09:05 GMT -5
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Post by welovewally on Dec 6, 2012 8:45:42 GMT -5
I don't see any reason to trade any of the Catchers in the system unless overwhelmed. Saltys' value isn't great, but it's not bad, it can go up, but I don't think it will go down much. Lavarnways' value is not very high right now after his time spent in Boston at the end of the year and being in AAA again this year could help or hurt his value but I think that's where he should be. Ross might actually bring back the best value at the trade deadline this year. Again, if someone wants to overpay for one of them, then make the deal. But I don't think Floyd gets it done. Salty straight up for a 38 year old Dickey doesn't do it for me either. I'd rather roll the dice with Salty one more year.
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Post by tjb21 on Dec 11, 2012 11:41:42 GMT -5
I don't see any reason to trade any of the Catchers in the system unless overwhelmed. Saltys' value isn't great, but it's not bad, it can go up, but I don't think it will go down much. Lavarnways' value is not very high right now after his time spent in Boston at the end of the year and being in AAA again this year could help or hurt his value but I think that's where he should be. Ross might actually bring back the best value at the trade deadline this year. Again, if someone wants to overpay for one of them, then make the deal. But I don't think Floyd gets it done. Salty straight up for a 38 year old Dickey doesn't do it for me either. I'd rather roll the dice with Salty one more year. Wait, you WOULDN'T trade Salty for Dickey straight up? That's interesting to me. I'm trying not to laugh, but I'm also trying to see how that makes sense. |
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Post by sdiaz1 on Dec 11, 2012 12:39:51 GMT -5
Salty straight up for a 38 year old Dickey doesn't do it for me either. I'd rather roll the dice with Salty one more year. Jarrod Saltalamacchia 2008-2012 WAR: 2.5 RA Dickey 2012 WAR: 5.6 |
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Post by larrycook on Dec 11, 2012 13:39:05 GMT -5
If we can't work Salty into piece of a blockbuster with the Mets for Harvey and Wheeler, then trading Salty to the White Sox for Floyd makes perfect sense. |
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Post by sibbysisti on Dec 11, 2012 14:14:06 GMT -5
Somethin's gotta give. The Sox are now at 39 on the 40 man roster with Napoli, Victorino, Rosario and Uehara to be added soon. Trading Salty to the W. Sox for Floyd definitely helps the starting staff but does nothing for the 40 man problem.
If trades are not made, someone (or two) has to be DFA'd. For the record, I'm all in favor of a Salty/Floyd transaction.
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Post by sdiaz1 on Dec 18, 2012 13:01:38 GMT -5
Just spitballing; but how about Salty and Aceves to the pitching heavy Mets for Michael Fulmer and Jeurys Familia. Obviously they just landed D'Arnaud but maybe having Salty for one year would still be intersting as it would allow them to start D'Arnaud in AAA and also ensure that he is not overworked in is first taste of MLB.
Of course that is a luxury and maybe the Mets would rather not part with legitimate prospects for a non-vital commodity.
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Post by The Town Sports Cards on Dec 18, 2012 15:39:13 GMT -5
The Mets got John Buck too, not great, but decent enough to keep the spot warm for d'Arnaud
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Post by sdiaz1 on Dec 18, 2012 17:16:58 GMT -5
The Mets got John Buck too, not great, but decent enough to keep the spot warm for d'Arnaud Ahh, I forgot that Buck was part of that deal. Then I guess we need need to find a different suitor for Salty. |
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Post by jmei on Dec 20, 2012 20:52:31 GMT -5
Now that Pierzynski signed with Texas, the most likely landing spot for Saltalamacchia would with with the Yankees (unlikely to occur) or with the White Sox.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2012 21:49:42 GMT -5
i think lavarnway will perform well if he has the security of knowing that he is the starting catcher. he is very talented. napoli at first (assuming he still signs) and ross as backup.
the only way for lavarnway to have the security of starting, the sox need to trade salty. righty now, his value is high and he is entering a contract year, and with pierzynski off the market, teams are looking to add a power hitting catcher.
salty could be traded for a pitching prospect, a solid 4/5 starter, or a position player prospect, preferably a first baseman. if that first baseman pans out, it would be great to have a good power hitting first baseman locked in for 6 years, at a low cost. the red sox need another big slugger. if they trade for a prospect first baseman, he should be close to being major league ready.
possible 1B prospects: cj cron, hunter morris, darin ruf or matt adams, (i really want adams)
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Post by jmei on Dec 20, 2012 22:18:13 GMT -5
There's basically no chance that any of those 1B prospects will be traded for one year of a league average catcher in Saltalamacchia. Yes, Saltalamacchia hits for power, but he's average at best defensively and is a sub-.300 OBP guy.
Moreover, none of those 1B prospects are on teams that need a catcher. Iannetta and Conger have catcher locked down for the Angels, the Brewers have Lucroy, the Phillies have Carlos Ruiz, and the Cardinals have Yadier Molina.
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Post by larrycook on Dec 21, 2012 16:48:51 GMT -5
Now that Pierzynski signed with Texas, the most likely landing spot for Saltalamacchia would with with the Yankees (unlikely to occur) or with the White Sox. Would the White Sox do a Floyd for Salty straight up? Is Floyd an upgrade over Doubront? |
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Post by sibbysisti on Dec 21, 2012 20:31:53 GMT -5
Now that Pierzynski signed with Texas, the most likely landing spot for Saltalamacchia would with with the Yankees (unlikely to occur) or with the White Sox. Would the White Sox do a Floyd for Salty straight up? Is Floyd an upgrade over Doubront? ...or Ryan Dempster, Part II. |
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Post by larrycook on Dec 22, 2012 9:55:02 GMT -5
...or Ryan Dempster, Part II. Still an upgrade over Doubront? |
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Post by bluechip on Dec 22, 2012 9:55:16 GMT -5
Now that Pierzynski signed with Texas, the most likely landing spot for Saltalamacchia would with with the Yankees (unlikely to occur) or with the White Sox. A trade with the Yankees would be fine with me, if the Red Sox get value. Nevertheless, I do not see too much of interest in the Yankees system. Sanchez, Williams, and Austin would be good returns, but can the Yankees trade them to the Red Sox for Salty? I guess Rafael DePaula is a nice arm, but has tons of risk. |
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Post by larrycook on Jan 7, 2013 13:58:35 GMT -5
Finn at Bloston Globe.com seems to think Salty won't be on the opening day roster.
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