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What Can Be Done to Fix the Sox?
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Post by wcp3 on Jul 20, 2015 20:10:04 GMT -5
I didn't know anything about Urias when I wrote that. I have since done a little research. He is a superb prospect with the potential of being a top of the rotation guy. He was activated on the 10th. He's only pitched 35 innings this year with a 3.00 ERA. Ron Shaw of fangraphs did a scouting report on him last September in which he said the kid was about ready for the majors and shouldn't be used much in the minors. I guess they followed that advice. He doesn't throw as hard as Espinoza and he doesn't have the same command and control, but he has good stuff. I still wouldn't trade Devers for him. As pitching has gotten better, good hitters are increasing in value. Elite hitters, as Devers may well become, are enormously valuable and extremely hard to find, harder to find than pitchers like Urias. Haha. Hahaha.
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Post by sarasoxer on Jul 20, 2015 20:11:14 GMT -5
This is where patience and forward thinking is needed. The Sox are not going anywhere with or without Cueto, Hammels or other possible additions.
Time to "cut bait".
We are, realistically, years away. Accept that fact and engage plan Z.
Really IMO everyone excepting Swihart, Betts and Bogaerts are available off the MLB roster...sorry Pedey...heart of the current Sox.
If Pedey is moved, Betts goes to second and Bradley assumes the CF throne.
Castillo is a year away....if he gets here.
Devers , Margot, Moncada are several years away if they make it.
I have checked with my primary physician, ....I can wait.
Please call "Trader Danny" to fix this mess.
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Post by WindyCityRedSox169 on Jul 20, 2015 20:31:52 GMT -5
This is where patience and forward thinking is needed. The Sox are not going anywhere with or without Cueto, Hammels or other possible additions. Time to "cut bait". We are, realistically, years away. Accept that fact and engage plan Z. Really IMO everyone excepting Swihart, Betts and Bogaerts are available off the MLB roster...sorry Pedey...heart of the current Sox. If Pedey is moved, Betts goes to second and Bradley assumes the CF throne. Castillo is a year away....if he gets here. Devers , Margot, Moncada are several years away if they make it. I have checked with my primary physician, ....I can wait. Please call "Trader Danny" to fix this mess. Years away from what exactly? If the plan is to rid ourselves of all potential free agents and go with a home grown roster as much as possible sure but everyone on this forum, although we all love prospects, know that isn't going to happen.
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Post by bbscouts on Jul 20, 2015 23:24:10 GMT -5
The Red Sox farm system and player development has been good but I think their pro personnel decision making leaves a lot to be desired. They seem to be overly concerned with finding bargains that they hope will rebound. What actually happens is the Red Sox catch a bunch of falling knives like Bailey, Hanrahan and Craig. They seem to want to sell their rising players as if they are sure they will sink from here like Iglesias and Reddick. They don't resign all-star caliber players like Adrian Beltre and John Lester but instead give big money to guys who have been replacement level for the team so far like Hanley Ramirez, Sandoval and Porcello. Hopefully theses big money players improve in the future. The bull-pen was hardly adressed in the off season. You either need to have good starters or a good bullpen, preferrably both. I think they have to play to win from here until September to develop a winning mentality after being in last place so often these last few years. The odds of getting to the playoffs are too low to trade for rental players in my opinion. Just play what they have in the system and maybe unload Napoli or Victorino to open roster spots for hungry young players.
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Post by jmei on Jul 21, 2015 6:25:27 GMT -5
The Red Sox farm system and player development has been good but I think their pro personnel decision making leaves a lot to be desired. They seem to be overly concerned with finding bargains that they hope will rebound. What actually happens is the Red Sox catch a bunch of falling knives like Bailey, Hanrahan and Craig. They seem to want to sell their rising players as if they are sure they will sink from here like Iglesias and Reddick. They don't resign all-star caliber players like Adrian Beltre and John Lester but instead give big money to guys who have been replacement level for the team so far like Hanley Ramirez, Sandoval and Porcello. Hopefully theses big money players improve in the future. The bull-pen was hardly adressed in the off season. You either need to have good starters or a good bullpen, preferrably both. I think they have to play to win from here until September to develop a winning mentality after being in last place so often these last few years. The odds of getting to the playoffs are too low to trade for rental players in my opinion. Just play what they have in the system and maybe unload Napoli or Victorino to open roster spots for hungry young players. I don't know that buying low ("finding bargains") is really to blame. A large chunk of the issues with this team-- Porcello, Sandoval, Napoli-- were signed coming off good seasons. Admittedly, a bunch of their buy low decisions have been busts as well (Craig and Masterson in the particular), but the issue goes beyond philosophy and instead seems tied to core player evaluation. They have just been bad at projecting which players will perform well and which will not-- simple as that.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 21, 2015 7:50:59 GMT -5
The Red Sox farm system and player development has been good but I think their pro personnel decision making leaves a lot to be desired. They seem to be overly concerned with finding bargains that they hope will rebound. What actually happens is the Red Sox catch a bunch of falling knives like Bailey, Hanrahan and Craig. They seem to want to sell their rising players as if they are sure they will sink from here like Iglesias and Reddick. They don't resign all-star caliber players like Adrian Beltre and John Lester but instead give big money to guys who have been replacement level for the team so far like Hanley Ramirez, Sandoval and Porcello. Hopefully theses big money players improve in the future. The bull-pen was hardly adressed in the off season. You either need to have good starters or a good bullpen, preferrably both. I think they have to play to win from here until September to develop a winning mentality after being in last place so often these last few years. The odds of getting to the playoffs are too low to trade for rental players in my opinion. Just play what they have in the system and maybe unload Napoli or Victorino to open roster spots for hungry young players. I don't know that buying low ("finding bargains") is really to blame. A large chunk of the issues with this team-- Porcello, Sandoval, Napoli-- were signed coming off good seasons. Admittedly, a bunch of their buy low decisions have been busts as well (Craig and Masterson in the particular), but the issue goes beyond philosophy and instead seems tied to core player evaluation. They have just been bad at projecting which players will perform well and which will not-- simple as that. Of course, there have been some successes, but they almost all came before the 2013 season. Of the current team, Holt, ERod, and Wright were good acquisitions -- interestingly, all acquired as minor leaguers. Marco Hernandez may be another. It's hard, though, to say whether Cherington's success rate at acquiring ml talent is really better than the norm; those three guys are offset by disappointments like De la Rosa (at least for the time being), Webster, Escobar and Hembree (so far), etc. But of course the bust rate will always be high with these guys. My sense is that finding two guys as good as Holt and ERod is unusual.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 21, 2015 8:25:53 GMT -5
I agree with sarasox in that adding Cueto or Hamels is pointless right now. Who knows where we will be going into next year? Let's see where this year ends. Does Porcello show a pulse? Can Rodriguez and Johnson pitch well the rest of the way? Owens? Other young players like Bradley etc. what's the deal with Buchholz?
If the young pitchers, aren't very good next year then adding a front of the rotation guy wont matter. And you don't want to spend all that money on a pitcher. Just because they are going to need a top of the rotation starter doesn't mean now is the best time to add one.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 21, 2015 9:20:34 GMT -5
I cannot remember the last time I gave up on this team before Aug 1, and with all the games vs. the AL East in Sept I didn't think this would be the year I would do so, even with the rocky start. But right now I am very close. These guys are just playing putrid baseball. Sure, they are only one 8 or 10-game winning streak from being back in it, but does anyone here realistically see that happening? In January I posted this response to Borisman and LarryCook where they were opining about moves the Sox would make if they were out of it in July: forum.soxprospects.com/post/127324I'll stick by that. They need to clean house in baseball ops. There have been some completely justifiable decisions and free agent acquisitions, and a few good trades. But there have also some very bad decisions, free agent deals and several bad trades since 2012. Cherrington's the GM, this is his vision, and team has been a mess 3 out of 4 years. If I am an ownership group spending upwards of $185 million on this team in each of those years - even if I agree with the team-building philosophy that has brought us to this point - it has become pretty obvious this baseball ops leadership's methods and philosophy are not working and it's time to move on. Ownership is committed to using their resources, but the philosophies and methods of this baseball ops group, for whatever reasons, are not working. It becomes more and more obvious that 2013 was an aberration. If this team was a player we're talking 3 less than replacement years and one All Star outlier. The leadership and vision from baseball ops to on-field management has not translated from the analysis and planning to performance. They keep saying they want to be the Cardinals, but they've been looking more and more like Toronto, Baltimore (before Duquette), and Texas lately - though they are spending between $60-90M more a year than those teams.
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Post by WindyCityRedSox169 on Jul 21, 2015 10:03:17 GMT -5
I cannot remember the last time I gave up on this team before Aug 1, and with all the games vs. the AL East in Sept I didn't think this would be the year I would do so, even with the rocky start. But right now I am very close. These guys are just playing putrid baseball. Sure, they are only one 8 or 10-game winning streak from being back in it, but does anyone here realistically see that happening? In January I posted this response to Borisman and LarryCook where they were opining about moves the Sox would make if they were out of it in July: forum.soxprospects.com/post/127324I'll stick by that. They need to clean house in baseball ops. There have been some completely justifiable decisions and free agent acquisitions, and a few good trades. But there have also some very bad decisions, free agent deals and several bad trades since 2012. Cherrington's the GM, this is his vision, and team has been a mess 3 out of 4 years. If I am an ownership group spending upwards of $185 million on this team in each of those years - even if I agree with the team-building philosophy that has brought us to this point - it has become pretty obvious this baseball ops leadership's methods and philosophy are not working and it's time to move on. Ownership is committed to using their resources, but the philosophies and methods of this baseball ops group, for whatever reasons, are not working. It becomes more and more obvious that 2013 was an aberration. If this team was a player we're talking 3 less than replacement years and one All Star outlier. The leadership and vision from baseball ops to on-field management has not translated from the analysis and planning to performance. They keep saying they want to be the Cardinals, but they've been looking more and more like Toronto, Baltimore (before Duquette), and Texas lately - though they are spending between $60-90M more a year than those teams. Cherington certainly has to be evaluated as like jmei said in another thread there decisions were made regarding player projection that has turned out tremendously bad.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 21, 2015 10:07:14 GMT -5
I cannot remember the last time I gave up on this team before Aug 1, and with all the games vs. the AL East in Sept I didn't think this would be the year I would do so, even with the rocky start. But right now I am very close. These guys are just playing putrid baseball. Sure, they are only one 8 or 10-game winning streak from being back in it, but does anyone here realistically see that happening? In January I posted this response to Borisman and LarryCook where they were opining about moves the Sox would make if they were out of it in July: forum.soxprospects.com/post/127324I'll stick by that. They need to clean house in baseball ops. There have been some completely justifiable decisions and free agent acquisitions, and a few good trades. But there have also some very bad decisions, free agent deals and several bad trades since 2012. Cherrington's the GM, this is his vision, and team has been a mess 3 out of 4 years. If I am an ownership group spending upwards of $185 million on this team in each of those years - even if I agree with the team-building philosophy that has brought us to this point - it has become pretty obvious this baseball ops leadership's methods and philosophy are not working and it's time to move on. Ownership is committed to using their resources, but the philosophies and methods of this baseball ops group, for whatever reasons, are not working. It becomes more and more obvious that 2013 was an aberration. If this team was a player we're talking 3 less than replacement years and one All Star outlier. The leadership and vision from baseball ops to on-field management has not translated from the analysis and planning to performance. They keep saying they want to be the Cardinals, but they've been looking more and more like Toronto, Baltimore (before Duquette), and Texas lately - though they are spending between $60-90M more a year than those teams. Cherington certainly has to be evaluated as like jmei said in another thread there decisions were made regarding player projection that has turned out tremendously bad. "Evaluated"? If I failed in my job three of the last four years and set my org on the course for further failure I'd be walked to the door by security carrying my personal stuff in a box. And I work for myself. And no disrespect to jmei but until recently he's been one of the biggest defenders of this front office.
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Post by WindyCityRedSox169 on Jul 21, 2015 10:19:52 GMT -5
I didn't mean that as a defense, in my opinion he should be fired. One year of great chemistry/roster moves doesn't excuse three horrendous years of which I am sure you agree.
It is going to take creativity to get out of this and clearly Cherington's work with creativity has more often than not led to the franchise being worse off.
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Post by danr on Jul 21, 2015 11:08:09 GMT -5
My ideas about what to do have been "evolving." Now that it seems clear that this team will not contend, the time has come to make some major changes. While changes in management personnel may have to occur, right now I am focused on player changes.
It is time to begin clearing the deadwood, the players who will not be with the team next year, or shouldn't be, as well as players at Pawtucket who have no viable future with the Sox. =
So, this means beginning now, as opportunities arise, clearing the following by whatever means are most opportunistic: Napoli, Victorino, Nava, Masterson, Breslow, Wright, Cecchini, Brentz, Coyle, Ross, Ogando, Belisario, Quintero, Craig, Pequero, Berry, one more of the catchers and a couple more of the infielders from Pawtucket not named Hernandez.
Every other player on the current 25-man major league roster is made available in the right trade except for Betts, Bogaerts, Pedroia, Swihart, Rodriguez, Ortiz, and Tazawa.
Promote, as appropriate several of the promising players at Portland to replace some of those cut from Pawtucket. Similarly promote from Salem to Portland, from Greenville to Salem, etc., giving as many promising prospects as possible a taste of a higher level for the last month of the minor league season.
Promote Shaw, JBJ, Owens and Light from Pawtucket. Shaw takes over 1B, JBJ RF, Owens in the rotation, Light to get some experience, but not heavily relied on. Platoon Ramirez and Ortiz at DH. Recall Castillo and have him play in LF when Ramirez is the DH. Sign De Aza to a new contract to be the LH OF off the bench.
I am not sure that it is going to practical, or even possible, for the Sox to make a really good major trade right now, one that would benefit the team for the next several years, without having to give up more of their top prospects than they should. Clearly if an elite pitcher, or a slugging 1B, both with some controllable years ahead became available in a deal that did not cost Devers or Moncada or Espinoza, it should be seriously pursued.
But for the most part it might be good to hold off and get some playing time at higher levels for the best prospects. Then there will be a better idea in the off season what the team has, and what it will need to acquire.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 21, 2015 11:10:36 GMT -5
I would tend to agree about Cherington. My one question is how much of this direction is really his brainchild. Certainly the results haven't been acceptable.
I wonder if we cold get Jason McLeod back here
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Post by larrycook on Jul 21, 2015 11:42:35 GMT -5
I do not know if bc deserves to go or not.
I do know we have three 22 year olds that appear to have a huge future for us, plus we have a really promising young catcher in swihart and a fair number of prospects in the system.
Is he 100% to blame for The, signing of rameriez and sandavol, (I can not imagine he made that decision in a vacuum), the failure to perform by Napoli, kelly, Craig, victorino,, nava, Castillo, masterson, , porcello and to a lesser extent Ortiz or the injuries to Vazquez, Pedroia, Buchholz and hanigan?
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 21, 2015 11:43:29 GMT -5
Well, they should now know they'll be sellers.
1) Trade Miley plus everyone who will be a FA, for whatever they can get. Do not trade anyone else who is signed for next year, because the team can absolutely contend with appropriate tweaks. And, yes, a better manager.
2) Recall Bradley, activate Nava, select Craig. Recall Castillo when and if he starts hitting better, or on 9/1.
Let Bradley play RF against everyone but tough LHP. Craig platoons with Nava in LF. When Castillo gets recalled, he shares LF, while Craig platoons with Ortiz.
The goal here is to find out if Craig can hit LHP adequately in a platoon role next year, if Nava can still be good enough to be a bench guy, and, obviously, if JBJ should be next year's starting CF. And whether Castillo needs more AAA time, or can play a platoon (or greater) role in 2016.
3) Move Hanley to 1B.
4) If necessary depending on when Miley is traded, Kelly takes his rotation spot. After Owens has two more starts with improved K/W, select him and put him into the rotation, and give Kelly a serious look in a high-leverage relief role.
5) Do not rush Buchholz back. When he returns, though, pitch Wright regularly in relief to see if that can give him consistency with the knuckler.
6) Continue to give Holt as much PT as possible, especially by having him rest Pedroia, Ortiz, and Sandoval.
It's all about finding out what you have for next year.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jul 21, 2015 12:40:15 GMT -5
I think you are all on the right track above. The charade is over. The Fat Lady has sang twice. Santa is going to miss us this year.
The last 5 games, especially, have taken the heart out of me for defending our manager and our GM. ANYONE may be given their pink slip. Until the last few games, if you want to call them that, I at least saw some moxie and some improvement. Before the All-Star game, I was certain Ben Cherington and John Farrell would be back in Fort Myers next February and March. Now.....I'm not sure. This team is not at all inspired. This club needs a big-time overhaul.
This team will finish last in the AL East for the 3rd time in 4 years. I get it.....that it is not quite our time. I do! We have some amazing talent 23 and younger in the system. We are not ready with the make-up of this team to compete at the highest level.............but we should be more competitive than we are. It is actually embarrassing.
There is no excuse after the LA series for Victorino or Napoli to play again. I hate saying that. I like both players. I appreciate so much what they meant to us in 2013, but they are not even remotely part of our future....and they know it. Move them somewhere were that might resurrect their careers.
I too think Jackie Bradley Jr. deserves a last COMPLETE chance to show if he is part of the solution or part of the disease. I would love to see Hanley start to make the transition into a 1st baseman. The organization by now knows that pitching and defense wins pennants and not having to win games 6 to 5.
It really looks like we will be choosing extremely high in the 2016 draft. I'm hoping that that pleasure is not part of 2017. People better watch out for us in 2018 or earlier, but this year gentleman and ladies is a wash.
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Post by jdb on Jul 21, 2015 12:41:47 GMT -5
Has there been any whispers about Hanley moving to 1B? I remember seeing last week a report saying the front office thinks he could pick it up fairly quickly. Would 3B be out of the question for a year until Papi retires?
I've thought about what Miley could bring back as well. Good back end pitcher but I think next year a 4/5 combo of E Rod/Owens/Johnson/Wright could be similar. Porcello a #3 with two better top end guys. A FA and trade.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 21, 2015 12:45:05 GMT -5
Well, they should now know they'll be sellers. 1) Trade Miley - Why Trade an affordable starting pitcher who has performed well enoughThe goal here is to find out if Craig can hit LHP adequately in a platoon role next year, if Nava can still be good enough to be a bench guy, and, obviously, if JBJ should be next year's starting CF. And whether Castillo needs more AAA time, or can play a platoon (or greater) role in 2016. continue to collect paychex at the AAA Level.
3) Move Hanley to 1B - because moving him to LF worked out so well. You have to keep him there until the DH position opens up in 2017. Take a serious look at Chris Davis. Napoli frees 16 million. Try 4yr - 68-72 million. Lefty hitter and a juicer...we need juicers on this team.4) If necessary depending on when Miley is traded, Kelly takes his rotation spot. After Owens has two more starts with improved K/W, select him and put him into the rotation, and give Kelly a serious look in a high-leverage relief role. I would look to trade Joe Kelly, some other team might think he has talent also. Use him to get a 1B or relief help, he's totally replaceable. Package him with JBJ/Castillo and Margot and address some pitching deficiencies.
5) Do not rush Buchholz back. When he returns, Rush him back to see if he can pitch well and then send him through the waiver wire...enough with him already. He's been part of the problem for too long. 6) Continue to give Holt as much PT as possible, especially by having him rest Pedroia, Ortiz, and Sandoval. - I like Holt, but as a super utility guy. He shouldn't be the focal point of any positional player needs.It's all about finding out what you have for next year - which is not much without totally reconstituting your pitching staff, however that may be best done. Sign Price or Greinke and you have a start
There may be alot of things to consider, but much of this wishcasting.
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Post by p23w on Jul 21, 2015 12:59:34 GMT -5
Well, they should now know they'll be sellers. 1) Trade Miley plus everyone who will be a FA, for whatever they can get. Do not trade anyone else who is signed for next year, because the team can absolutely contend with appropriate tweaks. And, yes, a better manager. 2) Recall Bradley, activate Nava, select Craig. Recall Castillo when and if he starts hitting better, or on 9/1. Let Bradley play RF against everyone but tough LHP. Craig platoons with Nava in LF. When Castillo gets recalled, he shares LF, while Craig platoons with Ortiz. The goal here is to find out if Craig can hit LHP adequately in a platoon role next year, if Nava can still be good enough to be a bench guy, and, obviously, if JBJ should be next year's starting CF. And whether Castillo needs more AAA time, or can play a platoon (or greater) role in 2016. 3) Move Hanley to 1B.
4) If necessary depending on when Miley is traded, Kelly takes his rotation spot. After Owens has two more starts with improved K/W, select him and put him into the rotation, and give Kelly a serious look in a high-leverage relief role. 5) Do not rush Buchholz back. When he returns, though, pitch Wright regularly in relief to see if that can give him consistency with the knuckler. 6) Continue to give Holt as much PT as possible, especially by having him rest Pedroia, Ortiz, and Sandoval. It's all about finding out what you have for next year. I don't think you take an established veteran who is playing a new position... and move him to an entirely "new" position in mid season. Spring Training would be the proper time to make this switch. Kelly and Barnes.... just frustrating. Someone needs to have a serious talk with those two and reach a mutual agreement on how to proceed. That is how Papelbon got direction and focus. Pretty sure we know what we've got. Sox need to rethink their strategy with respect to pitching, both starters and bullpen.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 21, 2015 13:10:02 GMT -5
I would absolutely prefer to keep Miley. He's a solid and durable pitcher who is the type of back-end arm a contender really needs to eat innings. He's the perfect rotational complement to Buchholz, who is excellent but rarely able to cross 120 innings effectively. Having a #4 starter who makes it unlikely the team will have to rely on its depth is huge when the frontline guy doesn't reliably stay on the mound. Having Miley also makes it easier to cycle in young, talented pitchers at the pace the team would like, instead of having them be necessary injury replacements.
Since his upside isn't going to get falsely inflated or anything it's going to be hard to get a contender to deal great value for him - basically, I don't think you could trade Wade Miley for parts that are as valuable as he is. Look at this offseason: the Red Sox traded Rubby De La Rosa's upside and an ex-prospect to get him. Miley is better than the package they got him for, and he's not likely to net a return that's more favorable now.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 21, 2015 13:22:32 GMT -5
Cherington certainly has to be evaluated as like jmei said in another thread there decisions were made regarding player projection that has turned out tremendously bad. "Evaluated"? If I failed in my job three of the last four years and set my org on the course for further failure I'd be walked to the door by security carrying my personal stuff in a box. And I work for myself. And no disrespect to jmei but until recently he's been one of the biggest defenders of this front office. If you were the GM and signed Mike Trout as a free agent for $300 million at age 26 and he turned out to be a replacement level player in year 2, do you think you should get all the blame for that? Ditto, if you traded Margot and Devers for Chris Sale and Margot and Devers turned out to be Hall of Fame players and Sale needed TJS twice like Hanrahan, do you think you should get all the blame for that? You can only critique the methodology, not second guess unlikely results. And if they aren't unlikely, who said during the preseason that everything was going to turn out like it has? Who said Porcello would be the worst starting pitcher in baseball? Who said Sandoval and Ramirez were going to be under replacement level? Who said Napoli was done? Nobody, because people can't see the future. They can only make predictions based on what happened the last few years.
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Post by danr on Jul 21, 2015 13:34:12 GMT -5
I think any of the present starters should be considered for trading, if the right deal is there. For example, one could be used along with another player or two in a deal for a better starter.
Craig isn't hitting much at Pawtucket. I don't see the utility of bringing him back until he does, if he does. I think he is best included in a deal where each side is taking a bad contract from the other, maybe a multiplayer deal, several players on each side, with one on each side having a bad contract. Those deals happen. Or he and a few mil$ are traded for a low minor league prospect.
The time to trade Buchholz is in the off season, if he makes it back this year and looks OK. If that happens, then he definitely should be traded during the winter. Of course, I have argued for him being traded every winter for several years now.
I don't think Hanley can play 1B, or at least won't play it any better than he has LF. That will screw up the entire infield.
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Post by awall on Jul 21, 2015 13:43:13 GMT -5
Move Papi and let Hanley move to full time DH, with JBJ getting near everyday reps in RF and spelling Mookie in CF for rest days (they need to determine if he's got the ability to translate the AAA success or if he's really just a 4A player who they should move).
Miley is a good deal for a solid 3/4 who will give glimpses of #2 material.
Porcello is what he is, nothing to be done there but hope he gets it back for the long run.
Hope that Buchholz returns without a need for surgery and maybe you can move him in a waiver deal in august and ask someone to take on Napoli (who i fell terrible for) along with the relatively good contract of Bucch.
Look to move Victorino in late August as a waiver deal.
bite the bullet on Sandoval and hope he does better next year, since there don't appear to be any better internal options in the near-term.
Move Koji at the deadline, since he will have value to a contender.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 21, 2015 13:45:40 GMT -5
I think any of the present starters should be considered for trading, if the right deal is there. For example, one could be used along with another player or two in a deal for a better starter. Right, agree totally. Miley obviously isn't someone I'd consider untradeable by any means. I just don't see the Sox realistically getting an offer for him that I would be happy with.
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Post by ctfisher on Jul 21, 2015 13:49:43 GMT -5
I don't really think getting rid of Cherington is the answer. Almost all of the moves he's made have been pretty defensible and more often praised than otherwise when he's made them, with the exception of the Lackey trade, which was a pretty colossal screw up, although I still think Joe Kelly can be useful in some capacity. Beyond that, under his watch (primarily) they've developed one of the best farm systems in the game, and have continued to add to it. If next year rolls around and there are more missteps and guys like Porcello and Sandoval don't bounce back, I think the seat starts to get hot. But mostly, the issue has just been guys seriously underperforming/injuries last year, which, given that most of it doesn't make sense as age-related decline, is hard for me to blame Cherington for, and in 2012, he inherited the roster that he eventually blew up, he wasn't the architect.
I think a much better argument could be made for getting rid of Farrell, because when a team as a whole falls so far short of expectations that aren't entirely unreasonable based on the talent on the roster, I'm not sure who you can blame other than the manager. It's his job to put them in the situations to succeed and keep their heads straight, and I don't think he's done a very good job of it. I also don't like how he's handled young players, especially Bradley, although it's possible Cherington deserves some of the blame for that too
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