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Post by nomar on Oct 19, 2015 7:33:05 GMT -5
It would also be hard to blow up a farm as good as ours. If we traded Moncada and Devers for Joe Blanton we'd still have a top 10 farm in all likelihood.
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Post by shane on Oct 19, 2015 8:39:08 GMT -5
It would also be hard to blow up a farm as good as ours. If we traded Moncada and Devers for Joe Blanton we'd still have a top 10 farm in all likelihood. Guys like Margot, Guerra, and Johnson get overshadowed in Boston because there are so many guys even better than them. They'd all have a lot more value if they were somewhere else.
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Post by jodyreidnichols on Oct 19, 2015 9:24:23 GMT -5
Toronto would not have gone this far without Price (and Tulo). The Cubs would not have advanced without Lester. The Mets would not have Cespedes. Teams generally will need to make at least one big move to make the push. Margot, Guerra, and Marrero could be moved from top 10. Tulo has sucked for Toronto. And the moves mentioned were done during the season, for a reason.
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Post by gerry on Oct 19, 2015 13:17:57 GMT -5
Toronto would not have gone this far without Price (and Tulo). The Cubs would not have advanced without Lester. The Mets would not have Cespedes. Teams generally will need to make at least one big move to make the push. And San Diego traded their entire farm system and wound up with a worse record than the Red Sox. And will likely have a slow recovery. Can't see Dave mucking things up that way.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 19, 2015 13:19:00 GMT -5
It would also be hard to blow up a farm as good as ours. If we traded Moncada and Devers for Joe Blanton we'd still have a top 10 farm in all likelihood. Guys like Margot, Guerra, and Johnson get overshadowed in Boston because there are so many guys even better than them. They'd all have a lot more value if they were somewhere else. Well, I believe they get overshadowed.... by people here. However, I don't really think that MLB teams actually undervalue those players for the reasons underlying your point. The scout who goes and sees Greenville writes up the players he sees. He doesn't keep an org prospect list and say "oh, well Guerra's only their number 6 prospect." He tells his GM something like "Guerra is a potential 7 defender with a 7 arm who could hit a little, and is a future role 5 player with the potential for role 6 if the plate approach continues to develop." And so on. Maybe orgs who assign their scouts coverage by organization (and not all do this - some do it geographically) have their guys write up a pref list, but even then, there are still numbers associated with the name beyond a ranking. It's the kind of thing that's easy to lose sight of as a fan. ----- As for Dombrowski "blowing up" the system, consider that the exec was likely making the comment off-hand. My bet is the Red Sox will have 8 Top 100 prospects this offseason (at least of those currently in the system). On average, a team should have 3 or 4 top 100 prospects. Dombrowski could trade FOUR top 100 prospects, and the Sox will still have an average amount of top-end talent. Then consider the return that a club should get for trading four top 100 prospects. And not to be a broken record here, add that there is a decent amount of redundancy in the infield with Devers-Guerra-Moncada-Dubon-Rijo all pretty much at the same level - would anyone be surprised to see two of those guys traded?
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Post by texs31 on Oct 19, 2015 13:38:59 GMT -5
Agreed on the "off-handedness" of the comment. I'd also point out that "blowing it up" is one of the most over-used and under-defined phrases in sports (or sports media). What does it even mean? How many prospects would we need to trade for it to be a "blow up".
Besides, you usually "blow up" the parent club in sports bc it is under-performing. Since farm systems are specifically designed to help stock the parent club (either with players or as assets to acquire better players), again, I ask what does it even mean?
It's such a silly phrase.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Oct 19, 2015 13:47:35 GMT -5
It's gonna be a long off season if people are gonna eat up everything a "rival exec" has to say. It's not like they might have an agenda making such comments.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 19, 2015 15:16:08 GMT -5
It's gonna be a long off season if people are gonna eat up everything a "rival exec" has to say as reported by a guy not good enough to get hired by the paper that employs Nick Cafardo. It's not like they might have an agenda making such comments. FIFY. (Never read any Mastrodonato, so I apologize to him if that's a cheap shot.)
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Post by radiohix on Oct 19, 2015 16:01:24 GMT -5
It's gonna be a long off season if people are gonna eat up everything a "rival exec" has to say as reported by a guy not good enough to get hired by the paper that employs Nick Cafardo. It's not like they might have an agenda making such comments. FIFY. (Never read any Mastrodonato, so I apologize to him if that's a cheap shot.) Yes it is! Jason is quite good actually, you should read his piece about Mike Hazen for example
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 19, 2015 16:28:08 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 19, 2015 16:38:38 GMT -5
I wouldn't buy low on any more Cardinals players who play 1B/OF.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2015 17:04:53 GMT -5
Meh. I'd much rather have Reddick. Furthermore, I think we could get it done with a deal centered around Marrero.
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Post by cambos174 on Oct 19, 2015 20:12:48 GMT -5
I know he's been terrible the past two years, but what about a ST invite and a minor league deal for Dom Brown?
Big pop, lefty bat. Could be a nice compliment for Castillo on the cheap. Certainly wouldn't guarantee anything and somebody might, but it'd be interesting if that didn't happen.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Oct 19, 2015 21:29:49 GMT -5
I know he's been terrible the past two years, but what about a ST invite and a minor league deal for Dom Brown? Big pop, lefty bat. Could be a nice compliment for Castillo on the cheap. Certainly wouldn't guarantee anything and somebody might, but it'd be interesting if that didn't happen. It was surprising to see him being released today. I thought of that also. Why not!
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 19, 2015 22:23:51 GMT -5
Shannon Wilkerson is a better baseball player than Domonic Brown.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2015 22:40:08 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 20, 2015 9:32:47 GMT -5
The story is based on the following tweet from Alden Gonzalez, the Angels writer for MLB.com: And remember, this is back in July. I also do not get the implication from this that the A's were particularly interested in anyone from the Red Sox. I don't read anything into this more than a team without many prospects trying to get the team with arguably the most involved in a deal it was trying to make.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 20, 2015 12:44:46 GMT -5
Chris Cotillo @chriscotillo 9m9 minutes ago Jason Varitek has interviewed for the Mariners' managerial opening, according to @jonheymancbs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 13:57:34 GMT -5
The story is based on the following tweet from Alden Gonzalez, the Angels writer for MLB.com: And remember, this is back in July. I also do not get the implication from this that the A's were particularly interested in anyone from the Red Sox. I don't read anything into this more than a team without many prospects trying to get the team with arguably the most involved in a deal it was trying to make. I view this story more positively. Something prompted the Angels to try to get the Sox involved. Between the two possibilities that they wanted the Red Sox involved" (1) because we have lots of prospects, or (2) because the A's expressed an interest in a particular Sox player, the latter seems more likely. If the latter is indeed the case, then the A's and Sox may already have the beginnings of a trade without need of a middleman.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 20, 2015 16:15:23 GMT -5
Jared Carrabis @jared_Carrabis 14m14 minutes ago Source: Mariners officially made offer to Jason Varitek to manage. He will not be accepting the position, and is staying with the Red Sox.
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Post by nomar on Oct 20, 2015 16:29:35 GMT -5
Jared Carrabis @jared_Carrabis 14m14 minutes ago Source: Mariners officially made offer to Jason Varitek to manage. He will not be accepting the position, and is staying with the Red Sox. Boom roasted
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Post by thursty on Oct 20, 2015 19:25:36 GMT -5
Wonder if the Red Sox would have any interest in Daniel Murphy? especially if they were able to unload Pablo. Of course, I had spitballed Rasmus before the playoffs, but that was $30m ago. Similarly, i suppose for Murphy; but strangely, it's reported that the Mets won't issue him a QO
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Post by mredsox89 on Oct 20, 2015 23:53:10 GMT -5
Jared Carrabis @jared_Carrabis 14m14 minutes ago Source: Mariners officially made offer to Jason Varitek to manage. He will not be accepting the position, and is staying with the Red Sox. Wow. That organization isn't exactly tip top, but if you agree to an interview and get offered, that's a major blow to say no, especially given that he doesn't exactly have a prominent role with the Sox. I'd imagine he likes the spot he has with the Sox, and I guess you never turn down the interview opportunity, but wow
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Post by Smittyw on Oct 21, 2015 6:42:02 GMT -5
Who is Jared Carrabis? I haven't seen that anywhere else.
Scott Lauber reported Varitek would stay with the Red Sox if he wasn't offered the Mariners job...
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 21, 2015 9:00:30 GMT -5
Jared Carrabis @jared_Carrabis 14m14 minutes ago Source: Mariners officially made offer to Jason Varitek to manage. He will not be accepting the position, and is staying with the Red Sox. Wow. That organization isn't exactly tip top, but if you agree to an interview and get offered, that's a major blow to say no, especially given that he doesn't exactly have a prominent role with the Sox. I'd imagine he likes the spot he has with the Sox, and I guess you never turn down the interview opportunity, but wow It was reported when he took the interview that he wasn't too keen on leaving the northeast and his family (or moving his family). It could be that the terms offered didn't meet his price to do that. Professionally, there's value in interviewing for a position even if it's not super likely you're going to take it, especially if it's your first interview for that sort of gig.
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