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6/16 ML Gameday Thread: Masterson rehabs for Pawtucket
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Post by Smittyw on Jun 16, 2015 22:09:46 GMT -5
Cecchini's line makes me sad Seriously, what happened to him?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 17, 2015 0:01:09 GMT -5
Longhi was pronounced Long-guy, not Long-gee Then they were pronouncing it incorrectly. Not trying to be snarky at your or anything - there are definitely pronunciations that I'm unsure of, but it's definitely LONG-ee. Thanks for the report. What do you think of the park? I've heard good things and I know they tend to draw pretty well. And for those who ever wonder about a player's name and how it's pronounced, it's always a good idea to check the player pages here on the site. For example, LONG-ee and pro-SESH-un are on the player pages here. Sounds like the PA guy tonight wasn't bothering to look at the roster sheet. The guy in Hagerstown was saying some names wrong the day I was there too. (I forget how, but he was saying Dubon wrong.)
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Post by jimoh on Jun 17, 2015 6:05:08 GMT -5
Longhi was pronounced Long-guy, not Long-gee Then they were pronouncing it incorrectly. Not trying to be snarky at your or anything - there are definitely pronunciations that I'm unsure of, but it's definitely LONG-ee. Thanks for the report. What do you think of the park? I've heard good things and I know they tend to draw pretty well. The incorrect "Long-guy" sounds to me like the way they would pronounce it in parts of the South. I've heard Conti as Cont-eye. The newish park is very nice, with good lines of sight, comfortable seats, ample concessions (I got a hot dog which chili and slaw, with a Shiner Bock), and a fairly good and enthusiastic crowd in brutal heat. They have a well-trained bat-dog who when appropriate will fetch bats or even balls. Not as conveniently close to the highway as Winston-Salem, but easy enough to get to and park. The man and woman sitting in front of me seemed to be connected to ownership; behind me where what seemed to be two Greensboro pitchers, in regular clothes, charting the pitchers (both sides); one would occasionally turn to the older man behind them and say "was that a slider?" There were a lot of scouts and radar guns there (10-15?). The park radar gun seemed to match perfectly with the hand-held of the guy behind me. In the front row was a young man who at one point asked the guys behind me the name of a new pitcher--maybe the Greenville pitchers doing their charting?
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Post by sibbysisti on Jun 17, 2015 6:53:54 GMT -5
Cecchini's line makes me sad Looks like the RSox drafted the wrong Cecchini. Bro is up over .300.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 17, 2015 7:11:30 GMT -5
I'll be at Greensboro NC tonight to see Greenville Not much to note so far in a quick game. Greensboro pitcher throwing high 90s and mid 80s, lots of Ks. Lhp Betts at 92 93 ( I'm sitting amidst the guns ) but gave up hard contact and a GS in 4th. Moncada could have been charged with an error on a dribbler. Looks good in the uniform. Very hot and humid. It was freaking 104 yesterday here in Durham. Can't wait for summer to start.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 17, 2015 7:29:06 GMT -5
Cecchini's line makes me sad Looks like the RSox drafted the wrong Cecchini. Bro is up over .300. His brother was always thought to have the higher cieling and he was draft accordingly (top 10 pick IIRC). It's not like they've got a chance to pick him and they chose to pass.
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Post by nomar on Jun 17, 2015 8:31:26 GMT -5
Looks like the RSox drafted the wrong Cecchini. Bro is up over .300. His brother was always thought to have the higher cieling and he was draft accordingly (top 10 pick IIRC). It's not like they've got a chance to pick him and they chose to pass. Garin has still tipped out at a higher point, but obviously he's imploded completely. I don't buy that his tools don't play at higher levels, something happened with him. He looked like a safe bet to be a plus hitter for average with a good OBP.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 17, 2015 8:50:20 GMT -5
Yeah I think Cecchini's fall is one of those things that if you predicted it, you shouldn't have, if that makes sense. There were always questions about his power, and there were some issues with his split, but there was never really a question raised about his hit tool. Now he's just not hitting anything. He's got an OPS of .491 since a season-opening six-game hit streak.
I'd understand if he were frustrated that he's blocked at the MLB level, but damn dude, that can't explain all of this.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 17, 2015 9:01:17 GMT -5
Yeah I think Cecchini's fall is one of those things that if you predicted it, you shouldn't have, if that makes sense. There were always questions about his power, and there were some issues with his split, but there was never really a question raised about his hit tool. Now he's just not hitting anything. He's got an OPS of .491 since a season-opening six-game hit streak. I'd understand if he were frustrated that he's blocked at the MLB level, but damn dude, that can't explain all of this. I'm leery of over-age kids coming out of high school. I cover high school football and follow basketball pretty closely. There are a couple of schools in my area who have the art down to a science. It helps the kid in high school, they rarely pan out at the next level. Some of our guys who haven't had initial success are; Ball and Chavis. Was high school too easy for them with that extra year? Maybe, not able to adjust. Cecchini was an older kid. So, was Henry Owens and it hasn't bothered him. If that kids not an exceptional athlete, I wonder how much growth they will have.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 17, 2015 9:13:27 GMT -5
Don't think there needs to be any deep south vs NE area pronunciation of words going on here, or can start the old Boston, vs Baaaston that some in NE say, or "Yous" instead of "you". That's a big can of worms for both regions with deep heritages, including myself here in the deep south.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Jun 17, 2015 9:31:19 GMT -5
Don't think there needs to be any deep south vs NE area pronunciation of words going on here, or can start the old Boston, vs Baaaston that some in NE say, or "Yous" instead of "you". That's a big can of worms for both regions with deep heritages, including myself here in the deep south. I got one of those Red Bumper Stickers with NOMAH on it. My dad isn't much of a sports fan. He asked me if I was turning into a Muslin. I reminded him Nomar was my favorite Sox player. Then, he's like. Nomah. Got it.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 17, 2015 10:39:47 GMT -5
Yeah I think Cecchini's fall is one of those things that if you predicted it, you shouldn't have, if that makes sense. There were always questions about his power, and there were some issues with his split, but there was never really a question raised about his hit tool. Now he's just not hitting anything. He's got an OPS of .491 since a season-opening six-game hit streak. I'd understand if he were frustrated that he's blocked at the MLB level, but damn dude, that can't explain all of this. I bet he tried selling out for more power and screwed up his swing. And the crazy walk rate he used to have was probably based on being passive, not selective.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 17, 2015 10:57:00 GMT -5
Yeah I think Cecchini's fall is one of those things that if you predicted it, you shouldn't have, if that makes sense. There were always questions about his power, and there were some issues with his split, but there was never really a question raised about his hit tool. Now he's just not hitting anything. He's got an OPS of .491 since a season-opening six-game hit streak. I'd understand if he were frustrated that he's blocked at the MLB level, but damn dude, that can't explain all of this. I bet he tried selling out for more power and screwed up his swing. And the crazy walk rate he used to have was probably based on being passive, not selective. What the team really needs is someone who had a really sweet swing, who they can call in for short terms to work with these guys.. It used to be Ted Williams, who fixed Butch Hobson's k rate and swing for a cpl of years and would work with Yaz when his swing would get all jacked up from time to time. Wonder if the Sox will EVER make up.. Like for REAL with Wade Boggs and start bringing him around more often? ST, some trips, adviser role? If Boggs could ever teach his swing, or identify with swings what is amiss and work to improve, the Sox would have a great p/t instructor, even if he was just a full time spring training and during the season as needed, much like during times gone by when Bobby Doerr, Dom Dimaggio handled those chores along with Williams.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 17, 2015 11:32:04 GMT -5
Boggs can't teach his hand-eye coordination or vision, which is probably the hole in that theory. Gedman had that same Walt Hreniak swing, he should know the technique.
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Post by Gwell55 on Jun 17, 2015 12:37:11 GMT -5
Boggs can't teach his hand-eye coordination or vision, which is probably the hole in that theory. Gedman had that same Walt Hreniak swing, he should know the technique. Gedman wasn't into that swing until it was taught to him and he didn't fair so well with it then either. "But critics roll their eyes when they see hitter after hitter with the head-down, one-handed style. The argument also can be made that for each one Hriniak has helped, he has hurt another. Former Red Sox catcher Rich Gedman, now with Houston, is perhaps the best example. A left-handed line-drive hitter with opposite-field power, Gedman often resembled a plunging helicopter when he uncoiled his revamped swing, and his career took a dive along with it." articles.sun-sentinel.com/1990-08-06/sports/9002070593_1_walt-hriniak-swing-holy-war Seems the consensus was about 50-50 with that swing that it helped or hurt.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 17, 2015 14:23:26 GMT -5
Boggs can't teach his hand-eye coordination or vision, which is probably the hole in that theory. Gedman had that same Walt Hreniak swing, he should know the technique. Gedman wasn't into that swing until it was taught to him and he didn't fair so well with it then either. "But critics roll their eyes when they see hitter after hitter with the head-down, one-handed style. The argument also can be made that for each one Hriniak has helped, he has hurt another. Former Red Sox catcher Rich Gedman, now with Houston, is perhaps the best example. A left-handed line-drive hitter with opposite-field power, Gedman often resembled a plunging helicopter when he uncoiled his revamped swing, and his career took a dive along with it." articles.sun-sentinel.com/1990-08-06/sports/9002070593_1_walt-hriniak-swing-holy-war Seems the consensus was about 50-50 with that swing that it helped or hurt. Yeah, it did ruin Gedman for sure. I hated Hriniak for it. I brought it up because it seems that Cecchini already has that kind of swing.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jun 17, 2015 23:40:08 GMT -5
Boggs can't teach his hand-eye coordination or vision, which is probably the hole in that theory. Gedman had that same Walt Hreniak swing, he should know the technique. Not correct with Williams aid to the club and I verified it myself, as can others who witnessed it and it can be seen just by looking up his players who played under him as manager of the washington Senators as manager.. EVERYONE improved. Williams was the guru of hitting. Some people can teach hitting who were really good hitters and some cannot, it's why some great hitter's make good coaches and some don't. I was serious when mentioned Hobson and Williams in above post, Williams took Hobson totally under his wing spring of '78 to work on his swing and it began to take hold, same the next season until he got his strikeouts under control. Williams was also "zipping around" on his golf cart from '77-79 and later mainly on the minor league fields working with kids swings, unless he had a project MLB hitter. DiMaggio and Doerr? Same thing, they were strictly ST hitting advisors and spent an awful lot of time with the kids. Pesky mainly stayed with the big league club, same with Kasko.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 18, 2015 12:39:53 GMT -5
The mound was also lowered before the 1969 season. The American League as a whole improved from .224/.287/.336 to .246/.321/.369 and the improvements in the Senators lineup are in line with that.
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