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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 1, 2015 9:18:36 GMT -5
New number 1! A bunch of big jumps! The debuts of 6 draftees!
Are we smart? Stupid? Fire away.
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Post by jchang on Jul 1, 2015 11:14:57 GMT -5
Rodriguez has 41.1 IP MLB. Assuming he does 6 IP every 5 games, when would he graduate? would there be a new #1 in Aug?
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Post by chavopepe2 on Jul 1, 2015 11:20:23 GMT -5
Great job overall with this update. My nitpicking two cents:
- Devers over Moncada
- Benintendi - Owens - Johnson instead of Johnson - Owens - Benintendi
- Espinosa over Marrero (and maybe Guerra - its close)
- Chavis over Ball
- Dubon up a few spots over Shaw
- Logan Allen up from the mid-30s to the mid-20s
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 1, 2015 11:39:52 GMT -5
Rodriguez has 41.1 IP MLB. Assuming he does 6 IP every 5 games, when would he graduate? would there be a new #1 in Aug? We anticipate that he'll graduate in August, yes. |
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Post by dd on Jul 1, 2015 11:57:13 GMT -5
DetailsSummary:- Eddy Rodriguez is the new # 1 (for a couple more starts anyway) up from 3rd last month.
- Yoan Moncada stays at # 2.
- Rafael Devers is up from 4 to 3 and Manuel Margo up from 5 to 4 both due to the graduation of Swihart.
- Brian Johnson moved up from 7 to 5.
- Top draft pick Andrew Benintendi joins the organization at # 5.
- Javier Guerra is in the top 10 for the first time at # 9.
- Anderson Espinoza zoomed from 30th last week to 11 this week.
- Michael Chavis dropped from 10th to 13th.
- Pat Light gained 10 spots from 24th to 14th.
- Travis Shaw up from 22 to 16.
- By Buttrey moved from 27 to 17.
- Teddy Stankiewicz fell from 19 to 14.
- 2nd pick Austin rei comes in at # 21.
- Garin Cecchini down from 15 to 23.
- Bryce Brentz also fell by 8 spots, from 27 to 19.
- Jerez Williams soared from 52nd to 30th.
- Tate Matheny, the Sox 3rd pick, debuts at # 32.
- 7th pick Logan Allen is in the mix at # 35.
- Dayan Diaz rose from 42 to 37.
- Simon Mercedes down from 33 to 40.
- Henry Ramos moved from 50 to 41.
- Marco Hernandez rejoined the top 60 at # 42.
- The Sox 22nd selection, Kyri Washington, starts out at #47.
- German Tavares returns to the rankings at # 49.
- Jush Ockimey also back, ranked this time at # 54.
- The 4th draft pick was Jagger Rusconi and he starts at # 54.
- Jacob Dahlstrand fell from 40 last week to 56th.
- Zeke Spruill dropped 18 and Been Moore 17 to round out the rankings at 59 & 60.
Edit: Forgot about the guys who dropped off. (Thanks conqusgambler33.)
No longer ranked are:
- Graduating from prospect status were:
- Blake Swihart (# 1 last week)
- Matt Barnes (# 9)
- Dropping out of the top 60:
- From 49, Jantzen Witte
- From 55, Miguel Celestino
- From 56, Justin Haley
- From 57, Daniel McGrath
- From 59, Dedgar Jiminez
- From 60, Trenton Kemp
- From nowhere, Derek Miller (Derek was not ranked either at the end of May or at the end of June, but he was # 60 for a while during June as players graduated.)
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Post by tedf on Jul 1, 2015 12:11:35 GMT -5
Rodriguez has 41.1 IP MLB. Assuming he does 6 IP every 5 games, when would he graduate? would there be a new #1 in Aug? At 50 IP = 2 more starts. Knock-on-wood! |
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Post by dd on Jul 1, 2015 12:15:42 GMT -5
Rodriguez has 41.1 IP MLB. Assuming he does 6 IP every 5 games, when would he graduate? would there be a new #1 in Aug? At 50 IP = 2 more starts. Knock-on-wood! As long as you're invoking wood-knocking, let's go for one more start! |
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Post by tedf on Jul 1, 2015 12:18:56 GMT -5
The ranking for Marrero seems high to me? He doesn't have the contact rate to be a contact hitter, and he doesn't have the power to be anything else. His good line at Portland stemmed from a .350 BABIP which he hasn't shown either before that or since. Would guess he settles in around a .600 OPS in the majors, which is fine for a utility infielder but would make him one of the weakest starters in the league. Then again, even a talented young pitcher like Espinoza is *so* far from the majors. Projectable mediocrity or potential stardom? So I shouldn't quibble.  Seems to be the flip side of Devers vs. Margot. In that case the younger/lower player with the high ceiling gets the top billing. |
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Post by tedf on Jul 1, 2015 12:19:59 GMT -5
At 50 IP = 2 more starts. Knock-on-wood! As long as you're invoking wood-knocking, let's go for one more start! Sorry, my wood isn't good for nine innings... |
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Post by jchang on Jul 1, 2015 12:28:52 GMT -5
come on, its actually only 8.2
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Post by jchang on Jul 1, 2015 12:32:11 GMT -5
I would like to see a spirited battle for the #1 spot once short-timer ER graduates. Its tough because Moncada carries a grade 7, which I don't think should be given out lightly. I could see YM, RD and MM all being 6.5, making the 1 spot in Aug up for grabs.
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Post by jrffam05 on Jul 1, 2015 13:12:35 GMT -5
This might be an overly simplistic way of thinking, but if you considered Barnes as a reliever, I'd argue that Light is a better relief prospect and should rank at least where Barnes left off before graduation. I'd also swap Marrero and Guerra, as they are very similar players, but Marrero is doing it at the AAA/MLB level and Guerra only projects to get there. I guess the young age gives him a higher ceiling.
Overall this it is in line with what I expected. Great list guys, keep up the good work.
Add, also I love seeing the 8 ceiling on Espinoza. Makes me feel all tingly inside.
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Post by charliezink16 on Jul 1, 2015 15:09:45 GMT -5
My favorite part of the update was seeing Espinoza's 2-8 grade.
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Post by jchang on Jul 1, 2015 15:21:09 GMT -5
I will be even happier when his floor becomes 8
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jul 1, 2015 16:57:58 GMT -5
why don't you guys tell us who fell off the top 60. I can't remember who was on the last month and has now disappeared.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jul 1, 2015 16:59:53 GMT -5
Keivan Heras was released. If I am not mistaken didn't he have a great 2014 in relief. Just curious as to what happened to cause his release so quick.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 1, 2015 17:29:44 GMT -5
Keivan Heras was released. If I am not mistaken didn't he have a great 2014 in relief. Just curious as to what happened to cause his release so quick. Probably can say this now, but he never showed up this year. Was just over baseball. Word has it he is now a goat farmer. Yes I'm being completely serious. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 1, 2015 17:31:27 GMT -5
why don't you guys tell us who fell off the top 60. I can't remember who was on the last month and has now disappeared. The spreadsheet Dick posted does a great job of conveying that information each month. But for the hell of it: Swihart, Blake Barnes, Matt Witte, Jantzen Portland Celestino, Miguel Portland Haley, Justin Portland McGrath, Daniel Salem Jimenez, Dedgar Greenville Kemp, Trenton XST |
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jul 2, 2015 9:59:36 GMT -5
why don't you guys tell us who fell off the top 60. I can't remember who was on the last month and has now disappeared. The spreadsheet Dick posted does a great job of conveying that information each month. But for the hell of it: Swihart, Blake Barnes, Matt Witte, Jantzen Portland Celestino, Miguel Portland Haley, Justin Portland McGrath, Daniel Salem Jimenez, Dedgar Greenville Kemp, Trenton XST thanks chris...Where would I see that spreadsheet? I don't want to keep bugging you about this. |
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jul 2, 2015 10:01:35 GMT -5
Keivan Heras was released. If I am not mistaken didn't he have a great 2014 in relief. Just curious as to what happened to cause his release so quick. Probably can say this now, but he never showed up this year. Was just over baseball. Word has it he is now a goat farmer. Yes I'm being completely serious. that is quite a stretch from baseball. Maybe he can have the goats catch for him lol. |
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jul 2, 2015 10:09:39 GMT -5
Never mind...I found it in the meta forum.
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Post by Mike Andrews on Jul 2, 2015 10:39:18 GMT -5
The spreadsheet Dick posted does a great job of conveying that information each month. But for the hell of it: Swihart, Blake Barnes, Matt Witte, Jantzen Portland Celestino, Miguel Portland Haley, Justin Portland McGrath, Daniel Salem Jimenez, Dedgar Greenville Kemp, Trenton XST thanks chris...Where would I see that spreadsheet? I don't want to keep bugging you about this. Click on the "Details" link in dd's post above. Read more: forum.soxprospects.com/thread/2823/july-rankings-update?page=1#ixzz3ekV7Vg6O |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 2, 2015 11:54:51 GMT -5
Keivan Heras was released. If I am not mistaken didn't he have a great 2014 in relief. Just curious as to what happened to cause his release so quick. Probably can say this now, but he never showed up this year. Was just over baseball. Word has it he is now a goat farmer. Yes I'm being completely serious. That's awesome. I want to do that. |
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Post by dd on Jul 2, 2015 15:45:21 GMT -5
This made me go look at it too (I wasn't sure that anybody else ever did!) and I found I should have looked at it sooner. Nothing major was amiss but I fixed the following: - The start of season ranking I was using was from 4/30/15 but it was labelled as some time in September of '13. Fixed
- While I was at it I also changed that start of season date from 4/30/15 to 3/23/15 which is the closest I have to the 4/9/15 that the front page rankings on SP use. There were some differences, but none in the top 40.
- The AAS column was listing the level (e.g. AAA or A-) instead of the calculation of the player's age minus the average age for the level. Fixed.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 3, 2015 12:08:51 GMT -5
I don't think that there's 60 prospects in this farm system who are better than Tzu-Wei Lin. Maybe 40 but certainly not 60 plus!
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