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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 13, 2015 16:48:44 GMT -5
Victor Garcia: 6IP, H, 0ER, 3BB, 6K
Lorenzo Cedrola: 3-5, 2B, 2RBI, SB, K Stanley Espinal: 5-5, 3RBI, SB
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Junior Espinoza: 4IP, 6H, 2ER, BB, 5K
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Post by radiohix on Jul 13, 2015 18:04:52 GMT -5
Sarasoxer and Steve, I just wanted to say that I love you guys!
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jul 13, 2015 18:14:32 GMT -5
Sarasoxer and Steve, I just wanted to say that I love you guys! Love you man! Things are getting a little mushy on this board.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 13, 2015 18:30:40 GMT -5
I doubt the average age of the teams are weighted by how often the players play. A lot of of the guys towards the top in PAs are the younger ones. As I've clarified, my point was that Salem and Greenville appear to have positive run differentials. I'm completely confused now. Is it John Valentin who is young for his league and Jose Valentin who has a positive run differential, or the other way around?
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 13, 2015 18:38:00 GMT -5
This is a good time for my annual reminder that John Valentin's 1995 season was absolutely phenomenal - arguably the best by a Red Sox position player in my lifetime - and nobody seems to remember it.
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Post by danr on Jul 13, 2015 19:00:08 GMT -5
This is a good time for my annual reminder that John Valentin's 1995 season was absolutely phenomenal - arguably the best by a Red Sox position player in my lifetime - and nobody seems to remember it. You must be quite young. However, how can you overlook Nomar's seasons 1997-2000. They were Hall of Fame years. If he hadn't been hit by that pitch, he might be in the HOF now.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 13, 2015 19:14:56 GMT -5
3rd game in a row that Benny Baseball is not in the Lowell lineup.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 13, 2015 19:20:45 GMT -5
Hudson Belinsky @hudsonbelinsky Cosart's CB had depth with below average bite. Threw a lot of belt high FBs. Delivery violent w hi back elbow and head whack. Inconsistent.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Jul 13, 2015 19:32:52 GMT -5
This is a good time for my annual reminder that John Valentin's 1995 season was absolutely phenomenal - arguably the best by a Red Sox position player in my lifetime - and nobody seems to remember it. You must be quite young. However, how can you overlook Nomar's seasons 1997-2000. They were Hall of Fame years. If he hadn't been hit by that pitch, he might be in the HOF now. You could make an argument that Valentin's 1995 was better, though ... by bWAR, it was pretty solidly better than any of Nomar's seasons. Jacoby Ellsbury's 2011 could be as good, though. People sorta forget just how awesome that year was. The bWAR's are close (8.3 for Valentin, 8.1 for Ellsbury).
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 13, 2015 19:55:13 GMT -5
This is a good time for my annual reminder that John Valentin's 1995 season was absolutely phenomenal - arguably the best by a Red Sox position player in my lifetime - and nobody seems to remember noticed it. FIFY. 9th in the MVP voting.
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Post by jchang on Jul 13, 2015 19:58:27 GMT -5
anybody recall who was AL all-star that year - at JV's position? how is it bWAR 8.3 doesn't cut it for AS?
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Post by radiohix on Jul 13, 2015 20:25:02 GMT -5
Sam Travis is getting hot guys! .360/.421/.440 in July with 5/3 BB/K, now if the power shows out, we may have something very interesting that may affect the FO plans for filling the position next year.
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Post by jchang on Jul 13, 2015 20:37:52 GMT -5
I don't buy into the theory that just because the typical 1B hits for power, then every 1B needs to hit for power. Travis should really spend most of next year between AA/AAA, so that he is fully ready (barring injury). Since the typical pattern is that a players power continues to grow into the mid/late 20's, then Travis should be regarded as viable if he can hit for average in the first few years.
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Post by nomar on Jul 13, 2015 20:53:16 GMT -5
Can't count on him playing until 2017 at the earliest, more likely 2018.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 13, 2015 20:56:53 GMT -5
Hudson Belinsky @hudsonbelinsky Another pitching change in Lowell. Long one tonight. Austin Rei has been very impressive defensively thus far.
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Post by ibsmith85 on Jul 13, 2015 21:46:06 GMT -5
This is a good time for my annual reminder that John Valentin's 1995 season was absolutely phenomenal - arguably the best by a Red Sox position player in my lifetime - and nobody seems to remember it. Loved JV as a kid, still a little curious as to why he doesn't merit a spot on the top of the SP Forum along with all the other farmhands coming up through the system.
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Post by larrycook on Jul 13, 2015 22:46:45 GMT -5
Sam Travis is getting hot guys! .360/.421/.440 in July with 5/3 BB/K, now if the power shows out, we may have something very interesting that may affect the FO plans for filling the position next year. His current swing is more about contact than power. Maybe the power comes, but as curently constituted is a 10 to 15 homers per year swing.
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Post by danr on Jul 13, 2015 23:04:17 GMT -5
You must be quite young. However, how can you overlook Nomar's seasons 1997-2000. They were Hall of Fame years. If he hadn't been hit by that pitch, he might be in the HOF now. You could make an argument that Valentin's 1995 was better, though ... by bWAR, it was pretty solidly better than any of Nomar's seasons. Jacoby Ellsbury's 2011 could be as good, though. People sorta forget just how awesome that year was. The bWAR's are close (8.3 for Valentin, 8.1 for Ellsbury). There's something wrong with bWAR if it does not value Nomar's 2000 season above Valentin's and anyone else's in recent memory. Slash line: .372/.434/.599/1.033 21 HRs and 51 2Bs. Valentin's slash line in 1995 was .298/.399/.533/932. He hit 27 HRs and 37 2Bs. Ted Williams thought Nomar would hit .400 but then he got hit with that pitch and all kinds of problems resulted that curtailed his career. Tragic. Ells' season was pretty good, also, but not this good. By the way, my memory is a little sketchy. Did Valentin get hurt a short time later? His career went downhill rather quickly beginning in 1999 and ended at the age of 35. There is something about WAR that defies common sense. I just can't accept WAR as a metric of much weight. I know that is against the grain, but I tend to be a contrarian.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jul 14, 2015 0:11:48 GMT -5
Yomar Valentin making his pro debut, batting 8th and playing SS. I noticed that and yet there is nothing saying he signed with the Sox. Not in the draft history or a link with the particulars.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 14, 2015 1:40:44 GMT -5
You could make an argument that Valentin's 1995 was better, though ... by bWAR, it was pretty solidly better than any of Nomar's seasons. Jacoby Ellsbury's 2011 could be as good, though. People sorta forget just how awesome that year was. The bWAR's are close (8.3 for Valentin, 8.1 for Ellsbury). There's something wrong with bWAR if it does not value Nomar's 2000 season above Valentin's and anyone else's in recent memory. Slash line: .372/.434/.599/1.033 21 HRs and 51 2Bs. Valentin's slash line in 1995 was .298/.399/.533/932. He hit 27 HRs and 37 2Bs. There is something about WAR that defies common sense. I just can't accept WAR as a metric of much weight. I know that is against the grain, but I tend to be a contrarian. Unless you believe that players do not differ from one another defensively, there's nothing wrong here at all. Nomar was a good defensive SS, averaging +7 R/150 according to Total Zone (and DRS for one year) in his 1997-2003 prime. In 2000 he was +9 in 140 G. Valentin in his youth was a tremendous defensive SS, averaging 23 R/150 from 1993 to 1995. In 1995 he was +23 in 135 G. The offensive gap is somewhat less than you think it was, because the league hit .006 / .005 / .016 better in 2000. That also made runs slightly less valuable in terms of translation into wins. All of that creates pretty much a tie between them, Valentin's defensive edge fractionally exceeding Nomar's offensive one, but obviously well within the error ranges. So what was the difference between them? Valentin was 20/25 stealing, and Nomar was 5/7. According to B-Ref's baserunning metric (which includes that plus advancement on WP amd PB), 1995 happened to be Valentin's best year at +4 while 2000 happened to be Nomar's worst at -4 (he may have been thrown out attempting to advance on potential WP / PB). That accounts for almost all of Valentin's 0.9 WAR edge. It's also worth noting that Nomar had 20 IBB and Valentin 2.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 14, 2015 2:55:46 GMT -5
Unless you believe that players do not differ from one another defensively, there's nothing wrong here at all. [...] So what was the difference between them? Valentin was 20/25 stealing, and Nomar was 5/7. People who don't believe in WAR probably do believe that everyone is equally good at baserunning. Or that it doesn't matter as much as anyone who has actually looked into it thinks, because how could you possibly quantify that? You don't know whether you have Big Papi, who is guaranteed to hit a home run every time, behind them in the order, or Mike Napoli, who is going to strike out anyway, blah blah etc. I mean there are a lot of ways to be ignorant. Just recently someone on this forum postulated that only Clay Buchholz could singlehandedly lead this team to victory, including the days he doesn't start. People don't want to believe that baseball is a game of averages.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 14, 2015 5:24:34 GMT -5
Yomar Valentin making his pro debut, batting 8th and playing SS. I noticed that and yet there is nothing saying he signed with the Sox. Not in the draft history or a link with the particulars. The club hasn't announced it yet. What can I tell ya? We're not mind readers.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 14, 2015 6:31:34 GMT -5
Sam Travis is getting hot guys! .360/.421/.440 in July with 5/3 BB/K, now if the power shows out, we may have something very interesting that may affect the FO plans for filling the position next year. His current swing is more about contact than power. Maybe the power comes, but as curently constituted is a 10 to 15 homers per year swing. I'm not sure what you mean? Can you please explain what you've observed in his swing that leads you to believe his swing is different now (from when?, the way)so that's it's more of a contact swing than a swing that generate more power?
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jul 14, 2015 7:18:32 GMT -5
Does anyone know why Andrew Benintendi is not playing? Really have missed seeing his name in the box score.
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Post by mgoetze on Jul 14, 2015 7:28:30 GMT -5
Does anyone know why Andrew Benintendi is not playing? Really have missed seeing his name in the box score. When does Ben intend to finally let Benintendi play?!?
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