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Post by welovewally on Nov 30, 2012 3:33:42 GMT -5
The deadline for teams to decide is Nov. 30th. The Red Sox have 11 Abitration eligible players. Non Tendering a player makes him a free agent. Here is a list with their projected arbitration salaries for 2013 from Mark Swartz. www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/10/projected-arbitration-salaries-for-2013.html Jacoby Ellsbury - $8.1MM Andrew Bailey - $3.9MM Jarrod Saltalamacchia - $3.9MM Alfredo Aceves - $2.6MM Craig Breslow - $2.4MM Ryan Sweeney - $1.8MM Daniel Bard - $1.6MM Andrew Miller - $1.4MM Franklin Morales - $1.4MM Rich Hill - $1.1MM Scott Atchison - $800K Who (if anybody) gets Non Tendered? I think Hill & Atchison |
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Post by dcri on Nov 30, 2012 4:14:12 GMT -5
I think Breslow, and possibly Sweeney and Miller. I wouldn't be surprised if Aceves also was non-tendered. Hill and Atchison maybe, but what's the point? They don't make that much now. The reason to non-tender is to get the player for a lower salary, or to let him go because he's making more than he's worth.
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Post by The Town Sports Cards on Nov 30, 2012 7:29:19 GMT -5
I'd say guys like Hill and Atchison have a good chance to be non-tendered so they can try to be re-signed to minor league deals. The bullpen is pretty full with "sure things" like Bailey, Breslow, Miller, Morales, Melancon, and Tazawa, leaving 1 spot for Bard, Hill, Atchison, Mortensen, Wilson, Carpenter, etc. That's a lot of RH relievers to have on the 40 man.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2012 7:32:43 GMT -5
Aceves will be tendered. Hill and Atchison could be non tendered depending on Atchison's health. Hill for one might sign to a minor league deal. Sweeney if they are serious about making Nava the semi regular left fielder. I'd be shocked if they let Miller go for nothing.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 30, 2012 8:20:07 GMT -5
Scott Lauber from the Herald reported yesterday that Aceves WILL be tendered a contract, and I think that's the right move. Despite the attitude issues, I do think they might get SOMETHING for him come spring from a team that thinks he needs a change of scenery/shot at starting.
I think Hill could get non-tendered. I don't think Atchison makes enough to bother non-tendering him yet, but as noted, it could depend on his health.
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Post by bluechip on Nov 30, 2012 8:56:23 GMT -5
Sweeney will probably get tendered, as the team really needs someone who can play center.
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Post by elguapo on Nov 30, 2012 9:58:50 GMT -5
I think the Aceves "attitude issues" may go away with better management. When even Youk is made out to be a supposed "clubhouse cancer", it's a sign that perspective has been totally lost.
I don't see any non-tenders in that group, except due to health to free up a roster spot.
Hill has been outstanding when healthy and is worth $1.1M to see if he can stay stay healthy.
Especially if they go the Swisher route, Sweeney is the reserve CF-RF and may have some trade value. (Kalish could backup CF but Lucchino stated they are trying to hoard depth, so it's likely back to Pawtucket.)
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Post by mantush on Nov 30, 2012 11:05:59 GMT -5
You could make a case for keeping everybody, couldn't you? In a situation like this, wouldn't it be wise for the Front Office to tender all of them contracts and work towards clearing off the expendables later on in the off-season or in Spring Training?
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Post by station13 on Nov 30, 2012 12:07:42 GMT -5
On Baseball-Reference, it has Tazawa as a super 2. Is that accurate?
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Post by dmaineah on Nov 30, 2012 13:42:20 GMT -5
Considering their health and the abundance of RP in the system both Hill & Atchison make sense + at some point the team needs to officially announce the signing of Gomes and add him to the 40 man roster and not tendering at least one player would provide that opportunity. Will Bard really get $1.6 mil? Maybe he gets non tendered.
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Post by sarasoxer on Nov 30, 2012 13:53:10 GMT -5
If any I'd say Sweeney and/or Atch. You just can't do so with Aceves even if you don't want him on the club because he has value.
Hill has been so good when healthy, I'd hate to see him go.
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 30, 2012 13:55:30 GMT -5
The MLB average salary is up over $3M. Half of that to try to put back together someone who had a 2.88 ERA and a K/9 ratio near 10 from 2009-2011 is an easy choice.
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Post by dmaineah on Nov 30, 2012 14:09:18 GMT -5
Has anybody's salary ever gone down in arbitration?
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Post by station13 on Nov 30, 2012 14:11:59 GMT -5
Has anybody's salary ever gone down in arbitration? It can, a 20% cut. Most of these situations I assume would either have the player being cut/non-tendered and they work on an agreement to a lower deal. Also Non-tendering Bard is ridiculous. |
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Post by dmaineah on Nov 30, 2012 14:21:07 GMT -5
He should get the 20% cut
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 30, 2012 15:06:35 GMT -5
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Post by steveofbradenton on Nov 30, 2012 15:33:01 GMT -5
There are two areas that the Sox have excess that could sweeten a deal. Not saying these players themselves are going to get a lot in return, but they could be a solid piece for someone else.
We have catching we can move (especially if we sign Napoli), and we have quite a few (decent) left-handed bullpen arms. I remember when it seemed we'd be lucky to have one on the team.
Doubt we will be carrying Hill, Breslow, Morales, and Andrew Miller heading north in April. But, any of them can be helpful to a number of teams. I'd hate to see Hill be allowed to become a free agent, when he definitely (when healthy) is an asset.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2012 16:05:32 GMT -5
Really hasn't been healthy and upside is a LOOGY. They may tender him, but I'd rather have the roster spot and try to sign him to a minor league deal.
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Post by grandsalami on Nov 30, 2012 16:37:28 GMT -5
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
#RedSox expected to non-tender Ryan Sweeney, source says.
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Post by elguapo on Nov 30, 2012 16:43:05 GMT -5
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi #RedSox expected to non-tender Ryan Sweeney, source says. I'm surprised - the Sox have a plethora of OF in the upper levels but I figured we'd wait until later to whittle them down. Sweeney duplicates what Kalish does and maybe they don't think more time in the minors would be helpful. |
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Post by sarasoxer on Nov 30, 2012 19:22:07 GMT -5
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi #RedSox expected to non-tender Ryan Sweeney, source says. I'm surprised - the Sox have a plethora of OF in the upper levels but I figured we'd wait until later to whittle them down. Sweeney duplicates what Kalish does and maybe they don't think more time in the minors would be helpful. Well Sweeney is what he is...a big, central-casting physical stud who somehow has not been able to transform the physical attributes into on-field performance. But man, he sure looks the part....Maybe if there was a remake of "Pride of the Yankees", he could play Gehrig. With Kalish, he is still essentially an unknown. He is, like Sweeney, a good fielder with a good arm. For many, I think, he has not had enough injury free time to show what his bat can do. I'll roll the dice on this one as I think the Sox have done. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 30, 2012 19:34:15 GMT -5
RE: Sweeney, the Sox have Ellsbury, Kalish, Nava, Sands, Hassan on the 40-man, will add Gomes once there's room, and they're still pursuing at least one more outfielder. Plus they have Brentz on the doorstep and Bradley coming up behind. I'm sure they'd have thought about keeping him, but as sarasoxer said, he is what he is at this point, and they don't see that being someone who will play a role this year.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 30, 2012 19:54:24 GMT -5
Atchison, Hill, Sweeney not tendered contracts. The other 30 were tendered.
I think Hill comes back on a ml deal. I think Atchison will catch on elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2012 20:25:12 GMT -5
Given the way Atchison pitched I have to believe that he is not currently on track to pitch this year.
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Post by jmei on Nov 30, 2012 20:54:03 GMT -5
There is a good chance Atchinson needs Tommy John surgery and just elected not to have it last season because at age 36 it would have effectively ended his career. He'll be 37 next year and if his UCL is in tatters, he may not have been worth a roster spot even if he's cheap and had performed well in low-leverage innings. With the right-handed relief depth in the organization, the Red Sox may have been reluctant to guarantee him money and a roster spot for 2013. I do hope him the best going forward though, as he's been a great story and has performed well on the field when he's had the chance.
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