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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 29, 2015 8:27:26 GMT -5
Braves from 1991-2005:
World Series titles
1995
NL Pennants
1999 1996 1995 1992 1991
East Division titles
2005 2004 2003 2002 2001 2000 1999 1998 1997 1996 1995
West Division titles
1993 1992 1991
Red Sox from 2003-2015:
World Series titles
2013 2007 2004
AL Pennants
2013 2007 2004
East Division titles
2013 2007
Wild card berths
2009 2008 2005 2004 2003
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Post by soxfan1615 on Jul 29, 2015 8:32:12 GMT -5
There's 2 different questions. Which team would I rather have been and which team was better run? I definitely would've rather been the Red Sox because of the WS titles, and I think the Red Sox from 2003-2011 under Epstein were just as well run as the Braves but I think Cherington has done a poor job.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 29, 2015 11:30:08 GMT -5
Wow, so no one prefers constantly being in contention and winning division crowns every year verse winning a couple more World Series and being out of the playoff race in other years.
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Post by jmei on Jul 29, 2015 11:33:28 GMT -5
Wow, so no one prefers constantly being in contention and winning division crowns every year verse winning a couple more World Series and being out of the playoff race in other years. Or, you know, cognitive dissonance from the fact that this is a Red Sox forum... |
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Post by Smittyw on Jul 29, 2015 11:41:17 GMT -5
Wow, so no one prefers constantly being in contention and winning division crowns every year verse winning a couple more World Series and being out of the playoff race in other years. "Winning a couple more World Series" > a division title every year but only one World Series. That's not meant to disparage what the Braves did in any way, but you asked what we'd rather have as fans, and for me that's an easy call. |
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 29, 2015 11:47:06 GMT -5
Wow, so no one prefers constantly being in contention and winning division crowns every year verse winning a couple more World Series and being out of the playoff race in other years. Is this a serious question? That's like asking if you would rather win 3 Super Bowls or only win 1. The whole point of professional sports is to win the whole damn thing. Not be competitive and not win the whole Damn thing |
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 29, 2015 11:56:01 GMT -5
I don't want the Braves to win, I want the Red Sox to win. I'd pick the Red Sox from 1919-2003 also.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 29, 2015 12:03:02 GMT -5
Dear Red Sox fans,
Would you want to be a Red Sox fan during the best time ever to be a Red Sox fan? If so, vote yes.
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Post by ray88h66 on Jul 29, 2015 12:05:14 GMT -5
Wow, so no one prefers constantly being in contention and winning division crowns every year verse winning a couple more World Series and being out of the playoff race in other years. I didn't answer the poll. I'm a Red Sox fan. Anyone here is a Red Sox fan who keeps an eye on what an 18 year old kid is doing in A ball. We may moan and grown about the team, but the laundry is what matters. I tried to step out of my mind and think about it but couldn't. |
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Post by raftsox on Jul 29, 2015 12:48:49 GMT -5
This was a tougher question to answer than I thought it would be, initially. But, the thing that won me over in the end is the passion around the team. As annoying as we Sox fans can get, the passion for the outcome of a random Thursday afternoon game exceeds almost any other team's fans passion for end-of-season vs. division rival for the playoffs.
It would be nice to have the faces associated with the Braves of that era though. Now, we seem to root more for the front office than the actual players whereas that team and fans were invested in Bobby Cox, Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Chipper, etc., etc. to the point that they were "the Braves". Flags do fly forever, but so do the memories of favorite players being with the team for the majority of their careers. Do we Sox fans value Ted Williams or Nomar or whomever else less because they didn't win us a title? No, we love them for being "the Red Sox", and I think that value is going away.
Again, I still voted for this era Red Sox, but it was more difficult than I thought it would be.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 29, 2015 12:57:58 GMT -5
Well, the idea is, would you rather be a highly competitive team who wins one, verses a team that flounders around, with a few last place finishes, but has 3 rings verses 1.
Would it have been tougher to ask would you rather be on the run the Cardinals are having or the Red Sox as they have an equal length of longevity of success, but 1 less ring in their pocket?
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Post by burythehammer on Jul 29, 2015 13:00:03 GMT -5
Wow, so no one prefers constantly being in contention and winning division crowns every year verse winning a couple more World Series and being out of the playoff race in other years. We were constantly in contention for the first eight years of that period. It's not an either/or. We've had both. There is no rational argument for the Braves side. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2015 13:02:24 GMT -5
I think to frame it closer I'd say look at the Sox from 1998 - 2013 or even 1995 - 2013 (accepting a sub .500 1997 and a terrible 2012 which only served to making 2013 even better), and I'd say it's a no-brainer.
I'd rather enjoy 3 World Championships, and in the other years, a 1995 division title, post-season appearances in 98,99, 03, 05, 08, and 09. Missing the post-season a few of those years doesn't make it lesser than the Braves winning the division just about every year.
What the Braves did was incredible, but I imagine among their fans has to be a sense of, "We should have won more Championships than just that one".
With the Sox, you got mostly competitive, exciting multiple championship winning baseball. The Sox had the Yankees in the division most years, an obstacle the Braves didn't have to face - until the World Series.
Maybe the Braves were more impressive, but I'd say the Sox got more out of it than Atlanta did.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 29, 2015 13:05:07 GMT -5
1. It's not like the Red Sox were only a moderately competitive team for most of the decade that won a couple random titles. From 2002 to 2011 they were always competitive. They never won fewer than 86 games and were almost always in the 90s. Maybe a more appropriate comparison would be the Braves from 1996-1999 or the Red Sox from 2012-2015?
2. Winning on its own isn't the thing that makes fandom great. It's the connection with the players and other fans that makes winning feel special.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 29, 2015 13:06:24 GMT -5
The other thing to remember is that the Sox won two of the three Championships when they were on a run of being competitive every year, and when the won their 3rd ring, it came after one year totally out of the norm that was one year removed from winning 90 games (the painful way). The Sox were consistent.
I'd draw the dividing line after 2013 because the Sox have now been consistently awful for two years running and there's a real chance it could extend beyond that until the kids in the farm graduate and mature at the major league level.
The Red Sox are trying to build a competitive team in the meanwhile without touching the farm, which is a great thought, and should be continued. However the major league talent evaluation has been so bad it has clogged up the payroll and it makes the present and short-term future tougher until the kids finally can come up and do what we think they can do.
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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 29, 2015 22:37:30 GMT -5
I would rather win one championship in ten years and have the team be terrible every other year, than being constantly OK, but never getting the ring. It's about championships, sure being constantly competitive would be nice, but end of the day, the rings are what counts.
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Post by Don Caballero on Jul 29, 2015 23:34:21 GMT -5
The Red Sox won the same amount of World Series in the past 10 years that the Braves did in the past 100.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 30, 2015 12:02:12 GMT -5
The Red Sox won the same amount of World Series in the past 10 years that the Braves did in the past 100. The Red Sox won the same amount of World Series in the past 11 years as they did in the last 97. |
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