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8/10 ML Gameday Thread: GCL Sox Doubleheader
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Post by Jonathan Singer on Aug 10, 2015 9:59:33 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 10, 2015 11:11:03 GMT -5
Logan Allen: 3IP 2H 0ER 0BB 3K
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 10, 2015 12:44:29 GMT -5
De Jesus going in game 2. With Allen getting a bit more slack on the pitch count apparently, Goetze was the piggyback instead of a true starter in De Jesus.
So right now, I've got the GCL rotation at something like:
Espinoza (Caceres PB)
Raudes
Williams
Allen (Goetze PB?)
De Jesus
Pennington
Bautista
Will be interesting to see how this shakes down with the doubleheaders ending. I still think Espinoza to Lowell is possible.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 10, 2015 14:51:09 GMT -5
We are heading back to The Fort for games on the 22nd, 24th and on way back home, hoping to catch a game in Sarasota vs the Orioles and Sox on the 25th.
Will try to get some more of those pics of guys the site has listed as not having yet.
GCL Tigers are decent this year, maybe Sox and Tigers meet in the finals?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 10, 2015 16:46:03 GMT -5
Christopher Acosta: 5IP H 0ER 0BB 4K
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Post by amfox1 on Aug 10, 2015 17:17:40 GMT -5
Red Sox sign old friend Rich Hill, who will report to Pawtucket.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 10, 2015 18:11:42 GMT -5
Benintendi with his 5th HR of the season.
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Post by benogliviesbrother on Aug 10, 2015 18:25:29 GMT -5
Benintendi with his 5th HR of the season. Seriously, why haven't they promoted him yet? |
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Post by johnsilver52 on Aug 10, 2015 18:51:11 GMT -5
De Jesus going in game 2. With Allen getting a bit more slack on the pitch count apparently, Goetze was the piggyback instead of a true starter in De Jesus. So right now, I've got the GCL rotation at something like: Espinoza (Caceres PB) Raudes Williams Allen (Goetze PB?) De Jesus Pennington Bautista Will be interesting to see how this shakes down with the doubleheaders ending. I still think Espinoza to Lowell is possible. Think it's impossible to guess at it and is in constant flux Chris. Pimental has started some back end DH's (when they piled up) and may again before the season is over. |
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Post by stevedillard on Aug 10, 2015 19:07:27 GMT -5
It's a good thing Shaq set the bar impossibly high.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 10, 2015 22:19:36 GMT -5
So in the department of new and inventive ways to lose, tonight's PawSox walkoff loss was on an inside-the-park home run.
And at this point they really need new ways to keep it interesting. 6-33 in their last 39.
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Post by soxfan06 on Aug 10, 2015 22:22:09 GMT -5
The good news is Matt Barnes didn't completely suck.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 11, 2015 1:26:35 GMT -5
So in the department of new and inventive ways to lose, tonight's PawSox walkoff loss was on an inside-the-park home run. And at this point they really need new ways to keep it interesting. 6-33 in their last 39. Given up by Heath Hembree, who had come in with a runner on 3rd and 1 out in the 8th and fanned two guys. Before his DL stint, BTW, Hembree had walked or hit 4 of 106 batters; before tonight, since returning to Pawtucket, 8 of 36. Now, that walkoff HR was hit between CF Jemile Weeks and RF Jonathan Roof, two converted infielders with a total of 130 pro games at their positions. One suspects a misplay of some sort. |
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 11, 2015 1:32:28 GMT -5
Benintendi with his 5th HR of the season. Seriously, why haven't they promoted him yet? In his previous 6 games he was 6/22 with 0 XBH and 0 BB, 1 SO (.546 OPS), which suggests swinging at a lot of pitcher's strikes early in the count. If tonight's 1/2, HR, 3 BB kicks off another hot stretch, it'll happen. |
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 11, 2015 1:51:15 GMT -5
Christopher Acosta: 5IP H 0ER 0BB 4K Obviously that was more important given his bonus, but Darwinzon Hernandez had a 5 3 1 0 3 9 line, and now has an 0.98 ERA and 2.35 FIP in his last 8 starts / 36.2 IP (38 SO, 13 BB, 0 HR, and a mess of grounders). I like the odds of one of him, Deni Reyes, Victor Garcia, or Yorvin Pantoja being for real, and joining Espinoza, Acosta, and Raudes in a future talent wave. Of 79 DSL pitchers aged 18 or younger (minimum 40 IP), Reyes ranks 3rd in FIP, Pantoja 27th (10th among 30 kids aged 17), Hernandez 28th (but his last 8 starts would rank 6th, and he's 2nd in ERA even on the whole season), and Garcia 36th, but 5th in K%. Raudes was 5th in FIP and 3rd in K%. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 11, 2015 6:40:28 GMT -5
This DSL staff reminds me a bit of the 2013 team's four starters - Almonte, Jimenez, Ramos, and Garcia - and set of relievers in Daniel Gonzalez et al., who all had great statistical seasons... and haven't done a whole lot so far, and although they certainly need more time before we can determine much, there isn't a whole lot to project there either.
Moral of the story is that while it's great to follow all these guys and they shouldn't be ignored or anything, there's only so much DSL stats are going to tell you until these guys come stateside and we get a look at them. It'll be interesting to see how this crew winds up comparing to that one.
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Post by jmei on Aug 11, 2015 8:43:24 GMT -5
Don't forget that the Red Sox DSL park is generally described as extremely pitcher-friendly, and the DSL in general is an extremely pitcher-friendly league. I would also generally take the gaudy DSL pitching stats with a grain of salt.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 11, 2015 11:30:15 GMT -5
Don't forget that the Red Sox DSL park is generally described as extremely pitcher-friendly, and the DSL in general is an extremely pitcher-friendly league. I would also generally take the gaudy DSL pitching stats with a grain of salt. Doesn't matter all that much when you're getting 75% ground balls. (for Espinoza anyway) |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 11, 2015 12:03:39 GMT -5
Don't forget that the Red Sox DSL park is generally described as extremely pitcher-friendly, and the DSL in general is an extremely pitcher-friendly league. I would also generally take the gaudy DSL pitching stats with a grain of salt. Doesn't matter all that much when you're getting 75% ground balls. (for Espinoza anyway) I'd except Espinoza from the discussion because he has (a) come stateside and (b) we have reports on his (disgusting) stuff. I agree with what you're saying entirely, but just saying he wasn't who I was talking about. I just mean that the DSL is a black box from which things can emerge that seemingly don't match the stats. If you did an analysis of Daniel Gonzalez's numbers in the DSL, you would probably not come away thinking mid-80s fastball and limited projection, y'know? Go look at his 2013 line as a 17 year old and tell me, based on numbers and age, if you'd take the guy who put up those numbers or any of the 2015 DSL pitchers, save for maybe the two guys who are, not coincidentally, now in the U.S. in Espinoza and Raudes. |
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 11, 2015 12:07:35 GMT -5
This DSL staff reminds me a bit of the 2013 team's four starters - Almonte, Jimenez, Ramos, and Garcia - and set of relievers in Daniel Gonzalez et al., who all had great statistical seasons... and haven't done a whole lot so far, and although they certainly need more time before we can determine much, there isn't a whole lot to project there either. Moral of the story is that while it's great to follow all these guys and they shouldn't be ignored or anything, there's only so much DSL stats are going to tell you until these guys come stateside and we get a look at them. It'll be interesting to see how this crew winds up comparing to that one. I remember that pretty vividly. With four interesting guys, you need a 1 in 6 chance that each guy is for real to get a 50% shot at one real prospect. Usually these guys are longer shots than that, individually. And it's hard to tell from just the stats, of course. I'd rank this quartet this way: 1) Hernandez, LHP, somewhat underscouted area (Venezuela), been one of the best pitchers in the league since he fixed his command dramatically, lots of ground balls. 2) Garcia, 6/4" and lots of strikeouts suggests velocity possibility. 3) Reyes, ridiculous command, but what else does he have? Probably has the biggest range of outcomes. 4) Pentoja, really only on the list because he's 17 and LH; with the ballpark he's probably just been a bit above average. But fun to keep track of anyway. Basically, it's just nice to see multiple guys that we wan to look at stateside. |
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 11, 2015 12:14:00 GMT -5
Doesn't matter all that much when you're getting 75% ground balls. (for Espinoza anyway) I'd except Espinoza from the discussion because he has (a) come stateside and (b) we have reports on his (disgusting) stuff. I agree with what you're saying entirely, but just saying he wasn't who I was talking about. I just mean that the DSL is a black box from which things can emerge that seemingly don't match the stats. If you did an analysis of Daniel Gonzalez's numbers in the DSL, you would probably not come away thinking mid-80s fastball and limited projection, y'know? Go look at his 2013 line as a 17 year old and tell me, based on numbers and age, if you'd take the guy who put up those numbers or any of the 2015 DSL pitchers, save for maybe the two guys who are, not coincidentally, now in the U.S. in Espinoza and Raudes. Yeah, all of them need to continue to develop way past where they're at now. I remember watching those Espinoza videos when he was 15 and he was pitching under 80 mph. There is a lot of time to develop, but not all of them will continue. |
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