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Post by mgoetze on Aug 13, 2015 12:58:44 GMT -5
Acquired by Red Sox as part of a midseason trade - check
Highly regarded as a prospect with talks of #2 starter ceiling - check
Made debut when season was already lost - check
Led team in SIERA after 5 games - check
Hit a wall later in the season and gave up lots of hard contact - check
Traded in the offseason at rock-bottom value - coming soon
Better in sophomore season albeit with blemishes - also likely to happen
Can't get this line of thinking out of my head for some reason.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 13, 2015 13:02:28 GMT -5
I think it's a little different at least based on their ages. It's a lot more reasonable to expect a 22 year old to improve than a 26 year old. Plus Rodriguez has 2 options left after this season and RDLR had 0 when he was traded.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 13, 2015 13:04:43 GMT -5
People realize RDLR still isn't actually good, right?
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Post by kman22 on Aug 13, 2015 13:08:10 GMT -5
Uh, ERod is lefthanded.
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 13, 2015 13:29:44 GMT -5
People realize RDLR still isn't actually good, right? People realize that a 18.7% HR/FB rate is completely abnormal, right? Steamer RoS projections: RDLR 4.03 ERA E-Rod 4.04 ERA |
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Post by mgoetze on Aug 13, 2015 13:30:19 GMT -5
I think it's a little different at least based on their ages. It's a lot more reasonable to expect a 22 year old to improve than a 26 year old. Plus Rodriguez has 2 options left after this season and RDLR had 0 when he was traded. Excellent points. I'm starting to feel that option is going to get used next season, though. |
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 13, 2015 13:42:55 GMT -5
I think it's a little different at least based on their ages. It's a lot more reasonable to expect a 22 year old to improve than a 26 year old. Plus Rodriguez has 2 options left after this season and RDLR had 0 when he was traded. Excellent points. I'm starting to feel that option is going to get used next season, though. I think Owens is the better pitcher next year. edit - and Wright.  |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 13, 2015 13:52:13 GMT -5
I think it's a little different at least based on their ages. It's a lot more reasonable to expect a 22 year old to improve than a 26 year old. Plus Rodriguez has 2 options left after this season and RDLR had 0 when he was traded. Excellent points. I'm starting to feel that option is going to get used next season, though. Biggest difference in addition to age is that RDLR had MLB experience and a TJS to his credit when he was acquired, whereas ERod was in Double-A. I see some of the similarities you are if I squint a bit, but the flexibility of each guy's situation is much different. |
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Post by jmei on Aug 13, 2015 16:05:56 GMT -5
There were also concerns about De La Rosa's delivery (and thus his ability to stick as a starter) that aren't really there with Rodriguez.
I am also very skeptical that Rodriguez will be traded this offseason.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 13, 2015 16:17:40 GMT -5
People realize RDLR still isn't actually good, right? People realize that a 18.7% HR/FB rate is completely abnormal, right? Steamer RoS projections: RDLR 4.03 ERA E-Rod 4.04 ERA RDLR has the fourth-highest HR/FB rate of any pitcher with more than 300 innings since 2011, and he's a bad command guy. I don't trust that the homers are a fluke. And, he's been fading down the stretch after a strong start, which we've seen before. Also I don't put that much stock in a statistical projection of Rodriguez based off seventy-odd innings of MLB work. |
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 13, 2015 16:22:55 GMT -5
There were also concerns about De La Rosa's delivery (and thus his ability to stick as a starter) that aren't really there with Rodriguez. I am also very skeptical that Rodriguez will be traded this offseason. I don't understand why they would even consider trading him. This is Betts/Hamels all over again, except it makes even less sense. |
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 13, 2015 16:28:09 GMT -5
There were also concerns about De La Rosa's delivery (and thus his ability to stick as a starter) that aren't really there with Rodriguez. I am also very skeptical that Rodriguez will be traded this offseason. I don't understand why they would even consider trading him. This is Betts/Hamels all over again, except it makes even less sense. It's the sell high crowd, as if no other GMs in the league have seen any of his bad games. |
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Post by cdj on Aug 13, 2015 17:48:53 GMT -5
The Rubby homers are not that much of a fluke. He's a homer prone guy, always has been.
Eduardo is a better pitcher right now and he is far more age-advanced. You take away a couple of the starts where he was tipping and his numbers would be great.
I think he's going to be just fine.
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Post by larrycook on Aug 13, 2015 18:21:14 GMT -5
Excellent points. I'm starting to feel that option is going to get used next season, though. I think Owens is the better pitcher next year. edit - and Wright. This year owens started out struggling with command. Will sox fans be patient if Owens starts out next year struggling with command? |
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Post by 07redsox on Aug 13, 2015 19:52:26 GMT -5
I think Owens is the better pitcher next year. edit - and Wright. This year owens started out struggling with command. Will sox fans be patient if Owens starts out next year struggling with command? Will they have a choice? Owens also started out not throwing his changeup at all apparently. For some reason though I don't think we would have to worry about that if he is in the ML starting rotation... |
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 13, 2015 20:32:39 GMT -5
E-Rod has a better FIP in his debut year than RDLR has in his fifth year in the majors. Eduardo is also 4 years younger. Sorry, not seeing it.
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Post by tookme55 on Aug 14, 2015 6:35:33 GMT -5
I'd like to see a split between 'quality' start stat line vs non quality start stats.
Miley as an example is 4.00 ERA pitcher on a consistent basis whereas Eduardo tend to fluctuate. He will eventually figure out how to minimize blown games. His ceiling is much higher than Rubby dee la Rosa in my opinion.
See what he can do next year. I think he will continue to improve.
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 14, 2015 7:59:09 GMT -5
There were also concerns about De La Rosa's delivery (and thus his ability to stick as a starter) that aren't really there with Rodriguez. I am also very skeptical that Rodriguez will be traded this offseason. Yes. De La Rosa was an effort guy and Rodriguez is not. Rodriguez has had some absolutely dominant games and is the more rare LH power pitcher. His command can wobble game to game but my bet is that this guy emerges into a top flight pitcher. As with other things Sox, patience is needed. |
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Post by alnipper on Aug 14, 2015 12:14:19 GMT -5
I would rather compare Miley vs RDLR. I will take Miley.
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Post by nomar on Aug 16, 2015 10:27:38 GMT -5
He's not getting traded
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Post by ray88h66 on Aug 16, 2015 15:29:19 GMT -5
I'll take erod's future over Rubby's, ,but would have kept Rubby. Watched his game today and he was great. He looks better than most of the Sox current staff.
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