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2015 New England Patriots Thread
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 19, 2015 0:27:49 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 19, 2015 11:26:43 GMT -5
So Jamie Collins is a freak. That PAT block was a gross display of freakish athleticism (and impeccably lucky timing, fwiw).
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Post by jmei on Oct 19, 2015 12:09:20 GMT -5
So Jamie Collins is a freak. That PAT block was a gross display of freakish athleticism (and impeccably lucky timing, fwiw). The timing is more than luck-- you can learn to read snap counts, and it's something he does very well on your run-of-the-mill A-gap blitzes as well. |
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Post by mgoetze on Oct 22, 2015 16:11:05 GMT -5
Big Reunion day on Sunday... Revis, Thompkins and Ridley could all be playing.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 22, 2015 16:22:32 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 25, 2015 14:49:07 GMT -5
Brady should be 39-45 today so far. Instead he's 27-45.
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Post by mgoetze on Oct 25, 2015 15:40:49 GMT -5
Remember when we all wanted Danny Amendola to be cut? Yeah, me neither.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 26, 2015 9:41:57 GMT -5
Just remembered what this reminded me of - using Howie Long in Tecmo Super Bowl (the underrated second-best part of using the Raiders). |
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Post by rangoon82 on Oct 26, 2015 10:58:46 GMT -5
These properly inflated balls are really slowing Brady down. Yesterday he dropped 355 yds, 2 passing TDs, 0 int on the league's best defense. 2nd most passing yards in the league right now.
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Post by jmei on Oct 26, 2015 11:03:54 GMT -5
This Patriots team is really good, but it's not historically good (the 16-0 talk is getting way ahead of ourselves) and it's not head and shoulders better than the rest of the NFL (the Packers and Bengals are at least in the conversation; maybe the Cardinals and Broncos, too). In particular, while the offense has managed to scheme around a below-average offensive line with quick throws, now that Solder is out for the year, that unit is a real weakness. Ditto for the cornerbacks, who are both mediocre talent-wise and lack depth.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 26, 2015 13:58:08 GMT -5
Peyton looks really bad and its not even winter yet. I wouldn't put them at the same level as the others.
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Post by ray88h66 on Oct 26, 2015 15:35:40 GMT -5
Brady should be 39-45 today so far. Instead he's 27-45. True, I'm giving 19 a break though in his first game back. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 26, 2015 15:54:35 GMT -5
This Patriots team is really good, but it's not historically good (the 16-0 talk is getting way ahead of ourselves) and it's not head and shoulders better than the rest of the NFL (the Packers and Bengals are at least in the conversation; maybe the Cardinals and Broncos, too). In particular, while the offense has managed to scheme around a below-average offensive line with quick throws, now that Solder is out for the year, that unit is a real weakness. Ditto for the cornerbacks, who are both mediocre talent-wise and lack depth. Yeah I have no idea why we were getting headlines two weeks back comparing this team to 2007. It makes zero sense to me. How many of these games so far have felt like coin flips? |
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Post by mgoetze on Oct 26, 2015 16:13:11 GMT -5
In particular, while the offense has managed to scheme around a below-average offensive line with quick throws, now that Solder is out for the year, that unit is a real weakness. Ditto for the cornerbacks, who are both mediocre talent-wise and lack depth. Of the two, I'm less worried about the O-Line. No doubt Brady is making them look much better than they are, but if you look around the league, Vollmer/Cannon/Fleming is far from the worst group of tackles out there, and the interior guys have been a positive surprise so far. Stork should be back later in the year to provide much-needed depth, and if the coaching staff decide that Stork and Andrews are both in our top 5 linemen, perhaps one of them will suddenly discover a knack for playing guard as well as center. The cornerbacks, though, there's no sugarcoating it - we've got Butler and a bunch of replacement-level guys, and whether Butler is a true #1 is still somewhat up for debate. The one thing that's probably saving us is McCourty's elite play at FS. Harmon has made great strides but if he were asked to fill McCourty's shoes, I bet our secondary would falter. (On a side note it is still amazing and scary to me that we are starting Chung at SS and it's working, but there we are.) |
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Post by mgoetze on Oct 26, 2015 16:18:55 GMT -5
How many of these games so far have felt like coin flips? Compared to an average NFL team, extremely few. The Steelers and Bills both had garbage-time back-door covers, but the games were not in doubt. The Jaguars and Cowboys both got destroyed. Against the Colts and the Jets, the Patriots didn't play as well in the first half to keep the game close, but in both cases they were the clearly better team in the second half. Yes, that's not 2007esque. But it's pretty damn good. |
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Post by ray88h66 on Oct 26, 2015 16:32:20 GMT -5
This Patriots team is really good, but it's not historically good (the 16-0 talk is getting way ahead of ourselves) and it's not head and shoulders better than the rest of the NFL (the Packers and Bengals are at least in the conversation; maybe the Cardinals and Broncos, too). In particular, while the offense has managed to scheme around a below-average offensive line with quick throws, now that Solder is out for the year, that unit is a real weakness. Ditto for the cornerbacks, who are both mediocre talent-wise and lack depth. Yeah I have no idea why we were getting headlines two weeks back comparing this team to 2007. It makes zero sense to me. How many of these games so far have felt like coin flips?[/b] For me one, and not yesterday's. The Jets poor clock management just made the on sides interesting. Not as good as 2007, but I'll take my chances, that team didn't win the ring. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 26, 2015 16:41:03 GMT -5
FWIW, not saying this team is bad. It's pretty clearly a Super Bowl contender. I'm saying they don't feel nearly as dominant and historically good as 2007.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 26, 2015 16:53:53 GMT -5
Only the Jets game really felt like a coin flip to me. Its clearly not as dominant as 2007 but inevitably the comparisons will emerge the longer this goes on. In 2007 there were some coin flip regular season games I remember pretty vividly too.
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Post by jmei on Oct 26, 2015 17:01:44 GMT -5
In particular, while the offense has managed to scheme around a below-average offensive line with quick throws, now that Solder is out for the year, that unit is a real weakness. Ditto for the cornerbacks, who are both mediocre talent-wise and lack depth. Of the two, I'm less worried about the O-Line. No doubt Brady is making them look much better than they are, but if you look around the league, Vollmer/Cannon/Fleming is far from the worst group of tackles out there, and the interior guys have been a positive surprise so far. Stork should be back later in the year to provide much-needed depth, and if the coaching staff decide that Stork and Andrews are both in our top 5 linemen, perhaps one of them will suddenly discover a knack for playing guard as well as center. The cornerbacks, though, there's no sugarcoating it - we've got Butler and a bunch of replacement-level guys, and whether Butler is a true #1 is still somewhat up for debate. The one thing that's probably saving us is McCourty's elite play at FS. Harmon has made great strides but if he were asked to fill McCourty's shoes, I bet our secondary would falter. (On a side note it is still amazing and scary to me that we are starting Chung at SS and it's working, but there we are.) On the offensive line, it's not the worst group in the league, but that quick passing game covers up a lot of their flaws. I think it's below-average both in the run game and in pass protection, and they're paper-thin at tackle. Teams (especially those with a good DL) will follow Dallas' lead and load up on coverage, knowing that three or four rushers will be enough to get some pressure on Brady and a light six-man box can hold up against the run. Brady, the scheme (pick plays, route combos) and the quickness of their receivers make that strategy hard to execute, but it's one they'll continue to be vulnerable to. The rest of the divisional games won't be easy, and the Broncos game may be a disaster. Butler has #1 corner upside, but he's definitely not there yet. He's like second year McCourty-- has the athleticism (including great makeup speed) to usually be in position, but the ball skills aren't quite there yet and he's prone to getting beat on double moves and head fakes. He's going to continue to get beat 1 on 1 by above-average receivers, but the guy on the other side needs the safety help more, so they just have to go with it. |
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Post by ray88h66 on Oct 26, 2015 17:29:10 GMT -5
Of the two, I'm less worried about the O-Line. No doubt Brady is making them look much better than they are, but if you look around the league, Vollmer/Cannon/Fleming is far from the worst group of tackles out there, and the interior guys have been a positive surprise so far. Stork should be back later in the year to provide much-needed depth, and if the coaching staff decide that Stork and Andrews are both in our top 5 linemen, perhaps one of them will suddenly discover a knack for playing guard as well as center. The cornerbacks, though, there's no sugarcoating it - we've got Butler and a bunch of replacement-level guys, and whether Butler is a true #1 is still somewhat up for debate. The one thing that's probably saving us is McCourty's elite play at FS. Harmon has made great strides but if he were asked to fill McCourty's shoes, I bet our secondary would falter. (On a side note it is still amazing and scary to me that we are starting Chung at SS and it's working, but there we are.) On the offensive line, it's not the worst group in the league, but that quick passing game covers up a lot of their flaws. I think it's below-average both in the run game and in pass protection, and they're paper-thin at tackle. Teams (especially those with a good DL) will follow Dallas' lead and load up on coverage, knowing that three or four rushers will be enough to get some pressure on Brady and a light six-man box can hold up against the run. Brady, the scheme (pick plays, route combos) and the quickness of their receivers make that strategy hard to execute, but it's one they'll continue to be vulnerable to. The rest of the divisional games won't be easy, and the Broncos game may be a disaster. Butler has #1 corner upside, but he's definitely not there yet. He's like second year McCourty-- has the athleticism (including great makeup speed) to usually be in position, but the ball skills aren't quite there yet and he's prone to getting beat on double moves and head fakes. He's going to continue to get beat 1 on 1 by above-average receivers, but the guy on the other side needs the safety help more, so they just have to go with it. I won't argue with any of this, but where is this kind of review of the Red Sox? Much more to work with. |
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Post by beasleyrockah on Oct 26, 2015 17:30:18 GMT -5
Eh, I think the Jets defense is more impressive than Denver's. Denver has been great but the best offense they've faced so far was probably KC (they've all been mediocre at best). I'm not too worried about a Wade Phillips defense with this version of Peyton Manning even on the road. This week's game is probably the 2nd or 3rd toughest remaining game on the schedule, especially with the short week and injury situation.
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Post by jmei on Oct 26, 2015 17:42:57 GMT -5
I won't argue with any of this, but where is this kind of review of the Red Sox? Much more to work with. Eh, I tend to think I'm the one making all the negative remarks on these forums about guys like Bogaerts, Bradley, Castillo, etc. |
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Post by jmei on Oct 26, 2015 17:48:23 GMT -5
Eh, I think the Jets defense is more impressive than Denver's. Denver has been great but the best offense they've faced so far was probably KC (they've all been mediocre at best). I'm not too worried about a Wade Phillips defense with this version of Peyton Manning even on the road. This week's game is probably the 2nd or 3rd toughest remaining game on the schedule, especially with the short week and injury situation. Eh, I don't know about that. I might take Denver's CB group over the Jets'-- Revis is the best of the bunch, but Chris Harris is chronically underrated, and Talib is a good bit better than Cromartie. I give LB and edge rusher to Denver as well, and interior defensive line is closer than you think. |
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Post by ray88h66 on Oct 26, 2015 17:54:04 GMT -5
I won't argue with any of this, but where is this kind of review of the Red Sox? Much more to work with. Eh, I tend to think I'm the one making all the negative remarks on these forums about guys like Bogaerts, Bradley, Castillo, etc. Not even close, and as one of the more thoughtful posters it would be helpful. Back to the Pats. Brady keeps amazing me. No way he should be looking this good at 38. Now speed and running was never his game, so age would affect him less, but the guy is playing some ball. |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 26, 2015 22:31:56 GMT -5
The Broncos have one of the worst offenses in the NFL, I think it could be a tough game but it also wouldn't surprise me if the Patriots have a good game. Peyton was pretty much done by that point of last year.
The Broncos have a good defense but they've come really close to losing almost every game they've played other than the Lions game.
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